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Old 2nd February 2019, 20:09
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Re: Bell P-39 top ten ace list

Good evening Gentlemen,

can anybody tell me the dates and/or decimals of the 3+3shared Alexandr Pokryshkin claims that are not listed in this list ?
http://soviet-aces-1936-53.ru/abc/p/pokryshkin.htm

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Re: Bell P-39 top ten ace list

I hope the following adds some details.


https://www.defensemedianetwork.com/...ed-challenges/


https://www.pacificwrecks.com/aircra...9/42-4287.html
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Old 4th February 2019, 10:23
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Re: Bell P-39 top ten ace list

Regarding Pokryshkin, Bykov states no shared victories with the P-39 but only the three mentioned on the site claimed with MiG-3 and Yak-1.

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Re: Bell P-39 top ten ace list

Good evening Håkan,

I suppose the list I mentioned is based on Mr Bykov's work.
I would interpret it as listing 43+3sh kills of a total of 46+6sh.
Therefore, I think the dates and decimals of 3+3sh Pokryshkin kills are unknown to the webmaster (and Mr Bykov).
Could you agree ?

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Re: Bell P-39 top ten ace list

Hello Michael,

My interpretation is that when Pokryshkin was decorated with the third HSU in August 1944, the award documents mentions 46+6 but Bykov has only found evidence of 43+3 in his research.
The awards document are very often wrong (I've only looked into RAF and VVS so other air forces I don't know) so I would go for Bykov's 43+3 as the most correct.

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Re: Bell P-39 top ten ace list

Good morning Håkan,

would you say that wrong figures in the award documents are the main reason for the wrong totals of Soviet aces which can be read in older books ?

Have a nice Wednesday,

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Re: Bell P-39 top ten ace list

I think it's a combination of wrong info compiled in wartime, propaganda, a mix between claims, shared, probables etc. As I stated above, this is quit common in both RAF and VVS records.

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Re: Bell P-39 top ten ace list

Good morning Håkan,

luckily, those 3+3sh claims that possibly miss would not change Pokryshkin's rank within the P-39 top ace list.

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