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Old 17th March 2013, 17:15
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Re: Spitfire K9820 and others.

Thank you David, your help is most welcome.
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Old 11th March 2016, 00:32
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Re: Spitfire K9820 and others.

Hello,
I have an amendment to this for you. 01-04-1942 Supermarine Spitfire Vb AD377 (QV-?), 19 Sqn, aircraft lost due to engine failure during a landing approach to RAF Ludham, Norfolk. The aircraft went into Hinkley Broad where it still lies as far as I am able to establish. F/O Rudolf Borovec(Czech), RAF No.81885 was not much the worse for wear but, comically, was seen walking down the runway soaking wet.
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Old 11th March 2016, 11:05
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Re: Spitfire K9820 and others.

24-01-40 - K9811 was Sgt Peter Stackhouse Gunning #515543
later 43474 and KIA 15 Oct 1940
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Old 11th March 2016, 13:29
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07-03-40 - K9800 - Still unknown - P/O Francis Noel Brinsden

Sgt J A Potter is John Alfred Potter 580179

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Old 11th March 2016, 14:42
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28-05-40 - K9821 Sgt David George Samuel Richardson Cox #745136
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Old 11th March 2016, 17:28
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Re: Spitfire K9820 and others.

Re; Spitfire P7887.

I see in this thread an almost complete list of 19 Squadron losses with the exception of the above.
Does anybody have the name of the pilot of 19 Squadron Spitfire II (L.R.) P7887 which stalled on take-off on the 4th September 1941 and was destroyed by fire? The pilot survived.
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Old 11th August 2018, 11:47
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Re: Spitfire K9820 and others.

I see this is an old posting. I have recently been transcribing a logbook of GC Matheson of 19 Squadron written in April 1940. He describes an accident at Duxford When Peter Howard-Williams made a night landing in the wrong direction and pranged the C.O.' (I believe this was Sq-Ldr Geoffrey D Stephenson at that time) into an obstruction. Anyone got any idea about this incident and the aircraft involved? The date is 21st April 1940. Thanks, Howard

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Old 12th August 2018, 00:25
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Re: Spitfire K9820 and others.

Looking at the entry for 21st April again I see that the 'prang' was at Horsham St Faith and not Duxford. I note that:-
No. 19 Squadron Leader Geoffrey Stephenson piloted Spitfire N3200 on its first and only operation as he led his squadron on a patrol to cover the evacuation of Allied forces.After shooting down a Junkers Ju 87 Stuka dive-bomber, Stephenson was himself shot down. He crash-landed on a beach at Sangatte, near Calais, and was captured. His Spitfire N3200 was recovered from the French sands in 1986 after strong currents revealed it, more than 45 years after it sank. The wreckage was excavated during the spring of that year and, though largely intact, very few parts could be salvaged. The Spitfire was restored to flying condition and returned to the air in 2014, before it was donated to IWM in 2015. During a visit to the museum in July of that year, the Duke of Cambridge watched an air display by the Mark 1a fighter, sat in its cockpit and visited Duxford’s Battle of Britain exhibition – housed in the very same hangar that No 19 Squadron’s Spitfires were kept during the war.

The Entry in Matheson's personal notes to himself of this incident on 21st April 1940 are as follows:

"In the afternoon I fly to Duxford and send Magister with Fitter to put the Magister stuck, right. Both Magisters return to Duxford about 7 pm. Send P/O Baker on to Horsham immediately with a Magister. P/O Howard-Williams stays behind to take back the C.O.’s Spitfire. I leave Duxford at 8 o’clock with H-W in formation with me; I misjudge the amount of light and we arrive at Horsham in the dark. I land alright but H-W lands in the wrong direction and goes straight through the obstructions. He damages the C.O.’s aircraft. Clouston and the C.O. furious. Can’t really blame them. I am put under arrest by the C.O. As the C.O. did not specify, it should mean ‘close arrest’ but as he has not placed another officer to guard I take to mean ‘open arrest’. I feel pretty bad about the whole thing because I take particular pride in being careful when I lead people about the sky. It is not H-W’s fault because he is very inexperienced. Lucky he didn’t kill himself."

Hope this explains my interest in this incident,

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Old 12th August 2018, 16:01
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Re: Spitfire K9820 and others.

Hello Howard,

Thanks for the very interesting contribution. Is GC a relative ?

As far as I know this is a ‘new’ Spitfire accident to most of us. There is no F.1180 accident report and no mention of it in the 19 Squadron Operational Record Book. Some units, including 19 Sqn., were reluctant to report all their prangs. I would like to identify this Spitfire if possible. I suspect, but cannot prove, it might be K9825. 19 Squadron only reported operational sorties in their F.541 ‘Detail of Work Carried Out’ part of the ORB. K9825 is last shown flying operationally on 8 April 1940 and does not appear again until 26 May. The Form 78 aircraft history card for K9825 provides no help unfortunately.
Did GC record any flights – these would be non-operational – in K9825 between 8 April and 26 May 1940 ?

As part of my research into RAF losses during 1939-1940 for the Eagles over Europe project I am especially interested in what entries he had in his logbook for 30 August 1940 with 222 Squadron as there is much confusion in records over their aircraft and pilot match-ups. Any help will be much appreciated.

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Old 14th August 2018, 16:25
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As an aside - H I Couzens later commanded Hemswell, and was responsible for the famous colour film "Night Bombers"

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