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Old 6th August 2019, 18:56
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Bf 109G-6 WNr. 164 979

Does any reader have definitive information about the service of Bf 109G-6 WNr. 164 979? There seems to be a contradiction in the record of this aircraft, as follows:

According to USSTAF, Adv. HQ, Air Service Cmd., Director of Tech. Service, Tech. Intell., Rept. A-68, dated 28.09.44, the fuselage and engine only of the crashed Bf 109G-6 WNr. 164 979 was found at St. André-de l'Eure, France. The marking "yellow band 20 in. wide" [JG 11?] was recorded.

In contradiction to the above notation, Stenman, Mersu, p. 358, records the Bf 109G WNr. 164 979 N S + X Q in Finnish service between 28.06.44 and 23.03.53. It was registered as MT-463.

Most probably a typographical error is at play here. But does any reader know what the mistake might be and the true service career of WNr. 164 979?
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Old 6th August 2019, 19:12
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Re: Bf 109G-6 WNr. 164 979

The same Werk Nummer is given in "Crashed Enemy Aircraft Report No. 257 Dated 25 October 1944" (TNA AIR 40/45) but no mention of a yellow band, just "smashed up" in the remarks column and the engine was DB 605 A-1 No. 00201904.

The new edition of Jean-Bernard Frappé's "La Luftwaffe face au Débarquement Allié" has the same Werk Nummer too (probably from the same source).
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Old 6th August 2019, 20:10
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Re: Bf 109G-6 WNr. 164 979

Probably typo in Stenman's book. The original aircraft card kept by the Finnish Air Force Depot has WNr. 163979 without SKZ for aircraft registration MT-463. Perhaps reason was that several other Bf 109 G-6 aircraft received at the end of June 1944 had WNr. in block 1649xx.

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Old 6th August 2019, 20:53
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Re: Bf 109G-6 WNr. 164 979

WNr. 164979 was with III./JG 3 according to Prien.

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Old 7th August 2019, 06:06
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Re: Bf 109G-6 WNr. 164 979

The Stkz NS+XQ is correct for W/Nr.164979 and comes within the block 164963 to 164988
The W/Nr.163979 has the Stkz SR+ZX so perhaps this W/Nr is correct for MT-463 as the Finnish records state just a confusion/typo with the correct W/Nr/Stkz connection but leading to the wrong conclusion for future researchers. Within this block SR+ZI (163964) went to Finnland as MT-435.
I would state the the W/Nr.164979 looks like being correct for the Allied Intelligence Docs.
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Re: Bf 109G-6 WNr. 164 979

Tom,
I have NS+XQ as a Bf 109 F-2 WNr. 9187. Any thoughts on this?
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Old 7th August 2019, 18:41
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Re: Bf 109G-6 WNr. 164 979

Bf109F-2 WNr. 9187 was NJ+XQ
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Re: Bf 109G-6 WNr. 164 979

Thanks for clarifying this Gerhard.


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Hi Norbert
I agree with Gerhard - NJ+XQ was a Bf109F-2 - W/Nr.9187
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Re: Bf 109G-6 WNr. 164 979

Thank you Matti, Nick, and others who replied in the best TOCH traditions of collegial help. You info was exactly what I needed to reconcile Kari Stenman's typo.

Not withinstanding ca. three errors in the individual aircraft entries, this book is beautifully done and has given me a wealth of info concerning late 16x xxx series Bf 109Gs.

Many thanks again, fellows.

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