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Old 22nd December 2020, 21:29
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Photos Japanese Aircraft

Hello,


Currently on ebay are the following photos of Japanese linked aircraft :


MKKK Manshu MT-1 Hayabusa and Ju 86


https://www.ebay.com/itm/B3-RARE-ori...sAAOSwr15f4e8S


Rikugun Ki 93
https://www.ebay.com/itm/A2-RARE-ori...4AAOSwaFBf4e1K

https://www.ebay.com/itm/A3-RARE-ori...cAAOSwxzxf4e2W



Showa L2D
https://www.ebay.com/itm/orig-PHOTO-...8AAOSwNDFf0Ro1


Hopefully these images are original as claimed by the seller.



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Old 23rd December 2020, 16:24
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Re: Photos Japanese Aircraft

Hi Clint

Normally the MKKK Manshu aircraft are listed under the Manko MT-1 designation, presumably to differentiate between the actual airline MKKK and its factory where aircraft were built, overhauled etc.

The photo here is interesting and must be one of a set taken by the Kôkû Asahi reporter Komori Ikuo at Mukden airport in October 1942 and it shows M-305 with four Ju 86 and at least one more MT-1 (M-318) and some Super Universals.
Some of the best shots of the MKKK's Ju 86 aircraft were taken by him.

The Ki-93 crash is well known and I have seen photos of it. If they are exactly the same ones, I don't know.

Pity the 'Tabby' photo is so indifferent....

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Old 23rd December 2020, 19:54
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Hi Stig,


Thanks for the response. Yes, I should probably have used Manko MT-1 as the Eleftheriou's do so in their The Eagles of Manchukuo, which I guess is pretty definitive as far as the designations go.


I've seen other photos of the Ki-93 crash, but not the ones I posted, but my Japanese aircraft library is not extensive so it could be they've been published elsewhere.


Given your disappointment with the L2D here are some photos predominantly of Tachikawa Ki 54 aircraft in the Netherlands East Indies,though also a Ki 46 in US markings so hopefully also disappointing


https://www.ebay.com/itm/Japanese-Ai...EAAOSw~tpf4p85

However, photo number 6 at least has been seen before.








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Old 24th December 2020, 00:36
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Re: Photos Japanese Aircraft

Can I say they are also a bit indifferent.....and run for cover?.....

Happy Christmas Eve Clint

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Old 26th December 2020, 15:27
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Re: Photos Japanese Aircraft

Hello,


Currently on ebay are a series of phtos of JAAF aircraft taken from the Yomiuri Press. I hope they've not already been widely seen. They are as follows:


1. Nakajima Ki-43 of 53 Sentai


https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Japanese-...MAAOSwoP5fskRu


2. Manshu Ki-79s of 26 Kyoiku Hikotai


https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Japanese-...kAAOSwFdNfskdR


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Old 26th December 2020, 17:25
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Re: Photos Japanese Aircraft

First time I see single-seat Ki-79 (no cockpit cover)

I use to spell the company as Mansyu (I follow the Francillon book) while I notice Baeza does it your way... ....and don't show me the Japanese spelling please....

BTW Baeza claims 3710 were built between 1942-45.
Is that really possible?

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Old 26th December 2020, 17:46
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Re: Photos Japanese Aircraft

Hi Stig,


Don Marsh and Peter Starkings give a total of 1342 Ki-79a/b and mention in the text a few Ki-79c/d were built in 1945. Now to my mind 1342 + a few does not equal 3710 二式高等練習機. Sorry I couldn't resist. However btw looking at the Japanese wiki entry for the production total they have 3710 too. But alas no source.


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Old 26th December 2020, 18:01
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Hi Stig,

Don Marsh and Peter Starkings give a total of 1342 Ki-79a/b and mention in the text a few Ki-79c/d were built in 1945. Now to my mind 1342 + a few does not equal 3710 二式高等練習機. Sorry I couldn't resist. However btw looking at the Japanese wiki entry for the production total they have 3710 too. But alas no source.

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Marsh/Starking?? May I ask what that is? Book - internet??

3710 sounds more than the whole Ki-27 production (I am lazy so I didn't look it up....)

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Old 26th December 2020, 18:06
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Hi Stig,


The book is Imperial Japanese Army Flying Schools 1912-1945 published by Schiffer.


There seem to be a few sites that give 3710, but without knowing what the source for the figure is, its difficult to reach any judgement on the accuracy. At the moment we have two sources, the above and Baeza, both of which one could reasonably view as credible. So the true figure is? Well, alas difficult to say.


Meanwhile here's a small vid of Ki-79s of the Akeno Flying School I believe. Perhaps best enjoyed with the music off:


http://hiroseorth.blogspot.com/2013/...g-post_22.html


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Old 26th December 2020, 18:15
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Thanks Clint

I didn't bother about that one. Someone said it was just full of useless colour drawings. What's your opinion?

1342 vs 3710 is quite a difference....the former figure sounds much more reasonable somehow.

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