4./NJG11 Bf109 WN '1666333', lost 3-4 April 1945

[RodM]

Hello one and all,

a British ULTRA report records the loss of a 'Bf109 G6' of 4./NJG11 during Nachtschlacht sortie on the night of 3-4 April 1945. The WN of the Bf109 is recorded as '1666333', which is obviously a typo.

Does anyone have an idea what the correct WN would/could be?

Cheers

Rod

[RT]

Hello Rod,


Quite for sure 166333, it is quoted 2 times for that date, + 1 time on febr 45 with some troubled engine

Remi

[RodM]

Hi RT,

thanks for that. When you say 'quoted' do you mean ULTRA or other sources?

Also, you wouldn't happen to know the surname of the Uffz. killed on the same night while piloting Bf109 G6 411493?

Cheers

Rod

[RodM]

Hi RT,

have answered the first part of my own question, I found the II./NJG11 strength return d. 5/4/45, listing 166333.

Cheers

Rod

[RT]

have answered the first part of my own question, I found the II./NJG11 strength return d. 5/4/45, listing 166333.

So with this one that makes 4,

With the name I don't found any, the loss was reported twice at least, but no name pop-up

On 27.April I hv a loss for a Bf109, no Wn hptm Schulze killed , unit NAGr.13 or NJGr.11 , sic, any thought about that one ??

Rémi

[ouidjat]

Hi Gents,
????
Don't understand.
1- 5/4/45 means 5 of April 1945 in French and 4 of May 1945 in English. Since Rémi is French and Rod from New Zealand, can you enlight me please?
2- The plane was "lost" just a little bit during the night of 3-4 April? since it's in NJG 11 strengh list one day or a month later (Cf point 1-).
Cheers, Franck.

[RodM]

Hi Franck,

just a slight correction to your assumption

'5/4' means 5th April to the French and most of the english-speaking word, including NZ

'5/4' means 4th May to Americans.

The NJG11 strength return for 5th April ("5/4") includes the WN of aircraft on- and off-strength, and thus the WN of recent losses of aircraft are often shown. In this case, the WN of two Bf109s lost on the night 3-4 April are given in the strength return, while the actual losses are also individually reported in seperate ULTRA decypts.

Cheers

Rod

[RodM]

Originally Posted by RT

On 27.April I hv a loss for a Bf109, no Wn hptm Schulze killed , unit NAGr.13 or NJGr.11 , sic, any thought about that one ??

Rémi

Hi Rémi,

I haven't extracted any data from ULTRA on this loss. If you found the data in ULTRA, can you please indicate the CX/MSS/T. or R. number (i.e. T.536/R.536) and I'll have a gander through the CX/MSS/R reports...

Cheers

Rod

[RT]

I found it in Jägerblatt , I shall check

...

Rémi

[ouidjat]

Hi gents,

Thanks for your answer Rod. Glad to know that. Nevertheless, the majority of Lost lists I've found on Net are written the american way, particularly the Kracker list which is english I suppose?! That's the reason I asked for this precision.
Regards,
Franck.