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Old 10th August 2018, 19:45
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VVS losses over Romania on 25 May and 4 June 1944

Hi all,


In the morning of 25 May 1944, at 7.49 and 7.50, I./JG 52 claimed two Yak 9s in the area of Tiraspol.


On 4 June 1944, between 15.00 and 16.32, JG 52 claimed nine Il-2s and SG 10 three more in the area of Iasi.


Any hint about possible Soviet losses in these actions and units involved would be greatly appreciated.


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Old 14th August 2018, 09:50
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Re: VVS losses over Romania on 25 May and 4 June 1944

Hi Boris
On 25 May 1944 17 VA lost in that region one recce Yak-9 of 39 ORAP shot down by fighters, pilot wounded, saved. Also in another dogfight one La-5 was shot down (5 GvIAP I guess), pilot KIA, plus one recce Pe-2 ftr, unknown cause, 39 ORAP.
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Old 14th August 2018, 09:53
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Re: VVS losses over Romania on 25 May and 4 June 1944

Hi Boris
On 25 May 1944 17 VA lost in dogfight one recce Yak-9, 39 ORAP, pilot wounded, saved. One Pe-2 of the same unit ftr, unknown cause.
In another dogfight one La-5 was shot down, pilot KIA (5 GvIAP, I guess).
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Old 14th August 2018, 15:44
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Re: VVS losses over Romania on 25 May and 4 June 1944

Hello Zoran,


Thank you for the data provided. In the meantime I found out that the La 5 was actually from 164 IAP, ml.leit. Ivan Gritsenko being killed. Do you happen to know at least roughly the time when La 5 and Yak 9 were lost?


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Old 14th August 2018, 21:33
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Re: VVS losses over Romania on 25 May and 4 June 1944

Hi Boris,
I do not have data for 17 VA at the moment, but there is something for June (from various and unchecked sources).
Soviet units that fought against JG 52, SG 2, SG 10, Romanian Grupul 9 etc. belonged to Soviet 5th and 17th Air Armies.
17th was stationed closer to the Black Sea, while the 5th was northern. During May 1944 Soviet 5th Air Army (5 VA) lost 33 Yaks (Yak-1, -7B, -9D), 12 La-5, 65 P-39, 8 Pe-2 and 28 Il-2.
During period 30.05-8.06.44 Luftwaffe lost up to 30 Bf 109G fighters of JG 52, and attack 30 FW 190, 7 Ju 87D/G and at least 2 Hs 129.
On 3 June 5 VA recorded 26 air battles, and (over)claimed 15 Ju 87, 22 Bf 109, 18 Fw 190 and 1 Hs 129, and lost in air combat 2 Yak-9, 1 P-39 and 1 Il-2, and 1 Il-2 shot down by AA.
On 4 June 5 VA recorded 22 air battles, and claimed 22 Bf 109 and 12 Fw 190 (5 Bf 109 and one Fw 190 by Il-2s) and lost in air combat 1 Yak-9 and 1 Il-2, by AA another 4 Il-2, plus missing 9 Yak-9, 2 Il-2 and 2 P-39.
Of these, 7 air battles with Bf 109s and Fw 190s were fought by 6 and 427 IAPs (both 294 IAD) that escorted Il-2s of 2 ShAK.
Next day, 5 June, at dawn, 11 Il-2s (2 ShAK) and 8 Yak-9s (294 IAD) attacked Großdeutschland divison's possitions and fought with Fw 190s at low altitude (and Yak-9s of 427 IAP shot down 2 Fw 190s, including one allegedly flown by Wolfram von Richthofen). Nine A-20Gs of 453 BAP, 218 BAD, were in that region also, and were attacked by Bf 109s...

5 VA controlled units, V-VI.1944:
2 GvBAK (1 GvBAD, 8 GvBAD, 218 BAD), 1 GvShAK (8 GvShAD, 9 GvShAD, 12 GvIAD), 2 ShAK (7 GvShAD, 231 ShAD), 4 IAK (294 IAD, 302 IAD), 7 IAK (9 GvIAD, 205 IAD, 304 IAD). Direct reporting: 312 NBAD, 511 RAP, 95 TrAP, 714 OAPS, 18 AP GVF. 85 SANAP and 85 KRAE were also under 5 VA during spring 44. 302 IAD soon to be renamed 14 GvIAD, on 2.7.44.

You may check (at pamyat-naroda.ru), for example, 294 IAD documents:
Журналы боевых действий. даты создания документа: с 30.06.1944 по 30.06.1944 г.
Архив: ЦАМО, Фонд: 20511, Опись: 1, Дело: 82, Лист начала документа в деле: 184а

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Re: VVS losses over Romania on 25 May and 4 June 1944

Hi Zoran,


Thank you for the tip. I checked all the files of 5 and 17VA at Pamyat naroda which I was able to find


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Re: VVS losses over Romania on 25 May and 4 June 1944

Combat losses 205 IAD May-June 1944
Date
22 May 438 IAP Lt. Yu. A. Popov 277 flights (123 in P-39) combat missions 76 air battles (after this A/B) 22 Victories 4+ Airacobra P-39 #42785 KIA

30 May
508 IAP St. Lt. M. I. Orlov 234 flights (111 P-39) CM 60, A/B 19, V. 5+1 P-39 #42823 Parachuted
508 IAP Ml. Lt. A. V. Khlopov 236 F (102 P-39) CM 40, A/B 12, V. 1+, P-39 #42715 WIA
438 IAP Lt. K. V. Myaskov 267 F (108 P-39) CM 54, A/B 24, V. 4+, P-39 #219188 MIA
438 IAP Ml. Lt. A. P. Skripnikov 143 F (31 P-39) CM 10, A/B 2, V. 0, P-39 #28916 KIA
129 IAP Lt. L. V. Zadirako 217 F (92 P-39) CM 54, A/B 37, V. 5+1, P-39 #218662 WIA
129 IAP Ml. Lt. S. V. Akinshin 169 F (70 P-39) CM 70, A/B 12, V. 7+, P-39 #29233 KIA
129 IAP Ml. Lt. N. I. Gromov 122 F (32 P-39) CM 0, A/B 0, V. 0, P-39 #43312 MIA
129 IAP Ml. Lt. A. S. Kozinov 132 F (38 P-39) CM 5, A/B 0, V. 0, P-39 #28934 WIA
129 IAP Ml. Lt. S. Z. Bukchin 223 F (170 P-39) CM 116, A/B 37, V. 12+2, P-39 #43712 WIA
129 IAP Ml. Lt. V. N. Chesnokov 127 F (39 P-39) CM 5, A/B 0, V. 0, P-39 #42777? WIA
438 IAP Ml. Lt. N. A. Androsenko 169 F (30 P-39) CM 6, A/B 0, V. 0, P-39 #219837 Parachuted
508 IAP Ml. Lt. S. P. Krylov 375 F (81 P-39) CM 5, A/B 2, V. 0, P-39 #42781 MIA
508 IAP Ml. Lt. P. V. Kalinin 202 F (55 P-39) CM 4, A/B 2, V. 0, P-39 #42713 unharmed
438 IAP Lt. A. A. Egorov 431 F (193 P-39) CM 182, A/B 42, V. 16+, P-39 #42827? Unharmed
438 IAP Ml. Lt. G. I. Vodolazhskiy 173 F (92 P-39) CM 42, A/B 11, V. 0, P-39 #29289 MIA

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