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Bordfliegergruppe 196 as of 01.09.1943.
For those who are interested in this unit. It was probably not easy to be Gruppenkdr. of such a spread out unit! Kdr. was Major Wiegmink.
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Re: Bordfliegergruppe 196 as of 01.09.1943.
Would you by any chance know anything of a Luftwaffe Pilot. Unserm Einheits.
I have a Luftwaffe dagger inscribed "Unserm Einheits Fuhrer zum 28 Geburtstag T3/VIII" which I assume is Bordflieger fw62 Unit 196. Any information would be gratefully appreciated. |
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Re: Bordfliegergruppe 196 as of 01.09.1943.
Unserm Einheits Führer zum 28 Geburtstag means:
Our unit leader to his 28 birthday! I do not know what T3/VIII stands for! Where do you have the information that the dagger belonged to a man from Bordfliegergruppe 196?? Of the Fw 62 there was only build 4 prototypes!! Junker |
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Re: Bordfliegergruppe 196 as of 01.09.1943.
Hi Junker
Thanks for your prompt reply. I have to admit that I'm researching this item on behalf of a colleague who does not have a computer. Apparently it is a mint Luftwaffe 2nd pattern dagger with the inscription mentioned being inscribed, as I remember, on the cross guard (Unserm Einheits Fuhrer zum 28 Geburtstag T3/VIII). From another source I was inform that this man served with 1/Bordfliegerstaffel 196 (1.Shipboard Sqdn 196). Unit 196 flew fw 62's reconnaissance. Grateful any other information you can offer. Thanks |
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Re: Bordfliegergruppe 196 as of 01.09.1943.
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It is difficult without a name on the guy! 1/196 did not fly the Fw 62 as it never entered service! T3/VIII might point to the Fokker seaplane but that is an educated guess. So without further informations it will be impossible to help you. Junker |
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Re: Bordfliegergruppe 196 as of 01.09.1943.
Thanks for your assistance with my enquriies. My German is 'nilch' but I assume Unserm Einheits is the Pilot's name.
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Re: Bordfliegergruppe 196 as of 01.09.1943.
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Our unit leader. Junker |
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Re: Bordfliegergruppe 196 as of 01.09.1943.
JU55DK, I wouldn't go so far and search for T3/VIII Fokker seaplane.
T3 was the identification code for 1(Staffel)./Bordfliegergruppe 196; VIII could be a code for a subunit (schwarm) of the 1.Staffel or simply stand for August, or.... In the copy of the document you show you'll find that 1./Bfl.gr.196 is "ein unterstellter Verband" and the Bordfliegergrupe 196 itself is an " Einheit". So it could be that the "Einheits Führer" or better "Einheitsführer" was in fact the Gruppenkommandeur at that time and the Kammeraden from 1.Staffel made him a present. Gruppenkommandeure of Bordfliegergruppe 196 were: Maj Gerrit Wiegmink, 9.43 - 4.44 Maj Schmidt, 4.44 - 1944 (see more under http://www.ww2.dk/air/seefl/bfgr196.htm ) If you can find anything about them and their birthdays, than this will prove (or not) my guess. It's a mistery for me were Derek has the information from that "which I assume is Bordflieger fw62 Unit 196" and "Unit 196 flew fw 62's reconnaissance."?! Regards Yves
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Yves Last edited by Yves Marino; 9th August 2005 at 01:21. |
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Re: Bordfliegergruppe 196 as of 01.09.1943.
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Re: Bordfliegergruppe 196 as of 01.09.1943.
Thank you so very much for all that information you've given and am sure my colleague (who doesn't have a computer) will be well pleased. I shall see if he is willing to let me borrow the Luftwaffe dagger in question to send a photo down to you. Once again I appreciate all your time and effort in assisting with this research and am sure the "leaders" you've offered will make the job so much easier. Thanks again.
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