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Old 3rd October 2010, 13:27
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interview with KW ace

http://www.airforce.ru/history/cold_...n/mihin_en.htm
It would be nice to recieve comments and additions
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Old 3rd October 2010, 20:56
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Re: interview with KW ace

The interview itself is highly valuable first hand oral history.

As far as the list of claims and confirmations at the end, it's a similar story to the other such lists we've gone over on this forum, directly or indirectly, which come from the same sources.

Sept 4 1952: 3 direct F-86 air combat losses plus one F-86 loss to MiG debris (4 is most for one day in KW), 9 Soviet claims, 5 known Chinese claims, no particular evidence to tie Porter's a/c to Mihkin's claim, though it has potential validity.

Sept 8 1952: F-84 claimed by Mikhin around 1510 Item in Suncheon area (though it doesn't appear on the all-in summary list of claims), a formation of 2 F-84's with 2 F-86's. 5th AF Intel Summary records combat between F-86's and MiG's in same area 1506-1600, but no encounters by F-84's. F-86's did spot one unidentified straight wing a/c, possibly prop, in the area at 1520. No such friendly a/c in the area, states the US summary. This is a rare case where Soviet and US records don't agree about a combat having happened and which general type (sweptwing, straightwing etc) of a/c was involved. There's no evidence to tie the non-air combat F-84 loss that day listed in Korwald (51-596) to this incident: that's arbitrary.

Sept 9 1952: F-86 50-672 was probably cannibalized for spares after major air combat damage on Sept 9 *1951*, as far as I've been able to determine: the a/c is not mentioned in any incident after that. 50-666 suffered major damage on landing Sept 10 1952 after a flameout, as given in the 5th AF Lost, Damaged and Aborted A/c File; transported to depot in Japan for repair but eventually stripped for parts, written off in December. Neither side reported combat encounters Sept 10. The 5th AF Intel Summary for Sept 9 records MiG/F-86 actions but no F-86 loss or major damage.

Sept 18 1952: as shown, this claim was for an F-86 not an F-84. Both sides agree on F-86 v MiG encounter in the relevant time period, neither side says there was an ecounter involving F-84's, and neither side says any F-84's were lost in air combat.

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Old 4th October 2010, 19:21
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Re: interview with KW ace

Very interesant and thanks to post the interview.Rest in peace Mikhail Ivanovich Mikhin.

Already , Had the airfield of Myaogou another name? Manpo I know is Dadonggou(or Tatung-kao depending the spelling).
I have checked the position and existence of some of this airfields with the Goggle satélite and I have finded another one some 15 to 20 nm SW of Antung(today ZYDD Dandong). Also Antung was called Andong and for the PLAAF was named aparently Langtou.

I dont know the name of this misterious airfield , maybe is Dagushan or Dabao.

The position of Manpo(Dadonggou)is also a mistery and I dont have finded this one; after the charts of the KW times the airfield was very near of the coast; maybe was closed , and the terran destined to agricultural use and his structures to civilian use.

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Old 4th October 2010, 21:19
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Re: interview with KW ace

Here is a link to the map with very general AB positions, so you may take a look at real map....
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...-51-jul-53.png
I was able to locate 2 airfields on wikimapia
1:
http://wikimapia.org/#lat=40.0241967...6&z=12&l=1&m=b
2:
http://wikimapia.org/#lat=39.9510694...7&z=12&l=1&m=b

Andun, Anshan, Mukden, Dapu and Myaogou were the names of the towns in Russian transcription, close to which ABs were placed. Unluckily, i can't say more.
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Old 5th October 2010, 01:15
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Re: interview with KW ace

Andun: this name has changed in Chinese. In KW era it was still 安東* 'peaceful east', usually transliterated as Antung in English, changed to 丹東 'red east', now transliterated as Dandong, during the Cultural Revolution

Anshan: 鞍山 'saddle mountain', still written that way, southwest of Shenyang

Mukden: the Manchu language name for this city, used at time of the Korean War. But in pre-Manchu China and now it's known by its Chinese name, Shenyang, 沈陽 'city above Shen [river]', biggest city in NE China, clearly visible on any map as a starting point.

Dapu: 大堡 'great fort' Dabao, small town north of Dandong, south of the Anshan area.

Myaogou: 廟溝 'temple ditch', Miaogou. But, it's a common place name, with more than one example just in the area of Anshan, where this air base was probably located

*I'm typing Chinese characters from a Korean keyboard so they come out in 'traditional' form, as they would have appeared on Chinese maps in KW, but different than the 'simplified' characters now used in the PRC.

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