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Old 24th March 2015, 20:51
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Any Bf110 recoon lost over Krymskaya (USSR, Kuban region) in 1943?

Hi all!

After we could recognise 4 aircrafts with crews from ZG1 (report I'll post a bit later), we have 1 more place to dig-out a Bf110.

Some sources say, that it was in 1943 - so, the only fariant is Battle over Blue line, so it is spring 1943. ZG1 was out of there at that moment.

That mean, it could be only reconaissance aircraft.

I am a bit dumb in recons. Could someone help us with possible Bf110 recoon units on that period and place (Luftflotte 4, spring 1943), and possible losses?
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Old 24th March 2015, 21:46
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Re: Any Bf110 recoon lost over Krymskaya (USSR, Kuban region) in 1943?

Hello Evgeny,

Maybe Bf110E-2 from Fl.Fü.Krim? Shot down by AA fire on 5.May.1943 NE Temryuk. Far a bit from Krymskaya, but I can't find other a/c (if we ignore 10./ZG1)

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Old 24th March 2015, 21:55
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Re: Any Bf110 recoon lost over Krymskaya (USSR, Kuban region) in 1943?

Yes, we are aware about Heinrich Melchart 's a/c shot down on 28 may over Krymskaya...

Here is a shield.
GWF, so it COULD be a recoon ...
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Old 24th March 2015, 22:11
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Re: Any Bf110 recoon lost over Krymskaya (USSR, Kuban region) in 1943?

Very interesting. How far it from Krymskaya?
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Re: Any Bf110 recoon lost over Krymskaya (USSR, Kuban region) in 1943?

Few kilometres to the East.
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Old 24th March 2015, 23:05
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Re: Any Bf110 recoon lost over Krymskaya (USSR, Kuban region) in 1943?

If exclude the unknown (for me) loss in 1941-43, theoretically it maybe recce a/c lost in Jan.-Apr.1944. Maybe Matti Salonen will make it clear.

Bf110E-2 from Fl.Fü.Krim fell in the swamp area NE Temryuk certainly, some evidences from the land forces of both sides are exist.
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Old 24th March 2015, 23:14
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Re: Any Bf110 recoon lost over Krymskaya (USSR, Kuban region) in 1943?

It could be:
08.09.1942
6./ZG 1
Bf 110E-1 W.Nr.3434
Bei Krimskaja
Motorstörung infolge Feindbeschuß. Bruch 60 %.

But anyway, after weather will be better, guys will try to dig them out.
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Re: Any Bf110 recoon lost over Krymskaya (USSR, Kuban region) in 1943?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Evgeny Velichko View Post
It could be:
08.09.1942
6./ZG 1
Bf 110E-1 W.Nr.3434
Bei Krimskaja
Motorstörung infolge Feindbeschuß. Bruch 60 %.
Really, maybe it is the plane in question
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Old 25th March 2015, 07:49
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Re: Any Bf110 recoon lost over Krymskaya (USSR, Kuban region) in 1943?

I have the following Bf 110 -losses (100 %) in the East for Luftflotte 4:
4.1.1943 NASt. Schmidt (Fleischmann) Bf 110 E-3 2398 6T+FA (Morosowskaja) Unbekannt. Bruch 100 %.
6.1.1943 II/ZG 1 Bf 110 F-2 5130 Fl.Pl. Schachty Bombenexplosion. Bruch 100 %.

7.1.1943 NASt. Schmidt (Fleischmann) Bf 110 E-3 2410 5D+GL Tazinskaja Flakbeschuß. Bruch 100 %.
8.1.1943 1./ZG 1 Bf 110 D 3161 Flakbeschuß. Bruch 100 %.
8.1.1943 6./ZG 1 Bf 110 E-1 4493 S9+JP Südwestlich Ssemikarakorskaja Flakbeschuß. Bruch 100 %.

10.1.1943 6./ZG 1 Bf 110 E-1 4402 S9+IP Nishnyi-Wjasowyj Motorbrand. Bruch 100 %.
21.1.1943 3./ZG 1 Bf 110 G-1 5143 S9+BL Nordöstlich Kamensk Erdabwehr. Bruch 100 %.
21.1.1943 4./ZG 1 Bf 110 E-2 4522 S9+PM Kamensk Unbekannt. Bruch 100 %.
28.1.1943 Stabsst./St.G 2 Bf 110 F-3 5179 T6+FA 12 km südöstlich Kamensk Jägerbeschuß. Bruch 100 %.
30.1.1943 3.(H)/11 (NAGr. 1) Bf 110 E-3 2325 Fl.Pl. Krasnodar Absturz nach Start. Bruch 100 %.
2.2.1943 Stabsst./St.G 77 Bf 110 F-2 5178 Rostow-Nord Absturz nach Start infolge Motorschaden. Bruch 100 %.

6.2.1943 Stabsst./St.G 77 Bf 110 E-3 2449 S2+LA Raum Bataisk Unbekannt. Bruch 100 %.

22.2.1943 3.(H)/11 (NAGr. 1) Bf 110 F-2 5123 6M+DL Matwejew Kurgan Jägerbeschuß. Bruch ? %.

24.2.1943 4./ZG 1 Bf 110 G-2 5225 S9+UM Dobrowolje, 30 km nördlich Sslawjansk Feindbeschuß. Bruch ? %.

24.2.1943 6./ZG 1 Bf 110 E-2 2554 Flakbeschuß. Bruch 100 %.

24.2.1943 Stabsst./St.G 77 Bf 110 F-3 5111 S2+KA Kramatorskoje Jägerbeschuß. Bruch ? %.

27.2.1943 5./ZG 1 Bf 110 E-1 4098 Luftkampf. Bruch 100 %.

28.2.1943 4./ZG 1 Bf 110 E-1 4083 S9+KM 6 km nordwestlich Losowaja Notlandung. Bruch 100 %.

5.3.1943 6./ZG 1 Bf 110 E-1 4045 Taranowa Motorbrand. Bruch 100 %.

8.3.1943 2.(H)/33 (NAGr. 6) Bf 110 E-1 3923 Kasmokust Motorbrand. Bruch 100 %.

23.3.1943 1./ZG 1 Bf 110 G-2 6139 Pjatnitzkoje Absturz infolge Flakbeschuá und Aufschlagbrand. Bruch 100 %.
25.3.1943 1./ZG 1 Bf 110 G-2 3257 Westlich Bataisk Luftkampf mit LaGG-3. Bruch 100 %.
29.3.1943 2./ZG 1 Bf 110 G-2 5259 Flakbeschuß. Bruch 100 %.

31.3.1943 3.(H)/11 (NAGr. 1) Bf 110 F-3 5113 6M+CL (Nowotscherkassk - Schachty) Unbekannt. Bruch 100 %.

29.4.1943 3./ZG 1 Bf 110 E-2 3756 S9+OL Südlich Petrowka Flakbeschuß. Bruch ? %.

2.5.1943 3./ZG 1 Bf 110 G-2 6203 S9+XL Nowoderkul bei Goroditsche Infanteriebeschuá. Bruch 100 %.

4.5.1943 3./NAGr. 4 (NAGr. 4) Bf 110 G-3 4824 L8+AL Bei Ponyri, westlich Beresowyj Notlandung infolge Jägerbeschuß. Bruch 100 %.
5.5.1943 Fl.Führer Krim (NAGr. 9) Bf 110 E-2 4027 Nordöstlich Temrjuk Flakbeschuß. Bruch 100 %.
6.5.1943 3.(H)/11 (NAGr. 14) Bf 110 F-3 5169 6M+KL Südlich Krassny-Liman Jägerbeschuß. Bruch 100 %.
28.5.1943 10./ZG 1 Bf 110 G-2 6258 2N+PU Krymskaja Jägerbeschuß. Bruch 100 %.
4.6.1943 2.(H)/33 (NAGr. 6) Bf 110 G-3 5395 Jatschnew-Kolodes, 4 km nördlich Bjelgorod Jügerbeschuß. Bruch 100 %.
6.6.1943 2.(H)/33 (NAGr. 6) Bf 110 G-3 4828 8H+GK Raum Kupjansk Vermutlich Jägerbeschuß. Bruch 100 %.

11.6.1943 Fl.Führer Krim (NAGr. 9) Bf 110 E-1 3460 Bei Alibai Absturz und Aufschlagbrand. Bruch 100 %.
9.7.1943 2.(H)/33 (NAGr. 6) Bf 110 G-3 5406 8H+CK Strelezkoje Flakbeschuß. Bruch 100 %.
24.7.1943 2.(H)/33 (NAGr. 6) Bf 110 G-3 4838 8H+PK Weterinar Bruchlandung infolge Nebel. Bruch 80 %.

10.9.1943 4./NJG 200 Bf 110 G-2 6391 300 m nordwestlich Fischerei Bajkiat, Raion Ak-Metschek Absturz in Meer 300 m von Küste. Bruch 100 %.

16.9.1943 Küstenfl.St. Krim Bf 110 F-2 5045 1K+CU Südlich Noworossijsk Absturz in See nach Luftkampf. Bruch 100 %.
20.9.1943 Küstenfl.St. Krim Bf 110 F-3 5175 1K+DU Seegebiet Anapa-Noworossijsk Absturz in See nach Luftkampf. Bruch 100 %.
23.9.1943 5./NJG 200 Bf 110 G-2 6248 2N+BU 8 km nördlich Kap Achelion (Taman-Halbinsel) Notlandung auf See nach Luftkampt. Bruch 100 %.
8.10.1943 Küstenfl.St. Krim Bf 110 F-2 5173 1K+BU Seegebiet Anapa Vermutlich Jägerbeschuß. Bruch 100 %.
8.12.1943 Küstenfl.St. Krim Bf 110 E-3 2493 8 km südwestlich Suja Friedental Unbekannt. Bruch 100 %.

There might be more, but my data is incomplete. For 1944 I cannot find any candidates and for 1942 there are too many.

Matti
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Old 25th March 2015, 18:56
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Re: Any Bf110 recoon lost over Krymskaya (USSR, Kuban region) in 1943?

quote from the above list

25.3.1943 1./ZG 1 Bf 110 G-2 3257 Westlich Bataisk Luftkampf mit LaGG-3. Bruch 100 %.

Is this WNr. correct ? I thought this is in the C-4 range. Or is it WNr.6257

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