Fw 190 A-2 WNr.497

[ouidjat]

Hi Gents,


Any available information for this machine, please?

Thank you very much for any help you can provide.


Regards,
Franck.

[Matti Salonen]

1943-07-27, JGr. West, Fw 190 A-2, 497, Bei Arès, 12 km nordlich Arcachon
Notlandung infolge Motorstörung. Bruch 80 %.

Matti

[ouidjat]

Thank you Matti.


More complicated than expected
Taken at Le Bourget
https://www.ebay.de/itm/Foto-Flugzeu...cAAOSwZdZdI06q

[Chris Goss]

Le Bourget was where JG 2 and JG 26 did conversion training from the Bf 109 F to the Fw 190 in May-June 1942

[JoMe]

Hi Franck

Thats what I have about this plane:

LZA Liegnitz, 18.06.42 (Rotenburg i.H., Einflug)
" , 12.08.42 (Rotenburg i.H.-Bremen)
ÜKdo./LZGr.11, 01-03.09.42 (Bremen-Cazaux/F)

best wishes
JoMe

[ouidjat]

Thank you JoMe,

Hence a strong possibility it did start her life in EJGr. West until the accident reported by Matti in post #2
The aim was to ID the Bf 109s in same auctions, but ....

Regards,
Franck.

[Rabe Anton]

Fellows,

I don't wish to add controversy or additional confusion about the Fw 190A WNr. 497. I am, however, wondering about two dimensions of this airplane's appearance.

First, it seems that the Werknummer of the kite in the photo could also be 5497. This aircraft would have been an A-2 or an A-3 and thus similar to 497. We also know that it was common (factory standard?) Arado practice not to apply the "5" before the last three digits of the number on its license-built Fw 190s. Very considerable identification confusion can come out of this.

Second, the high individual aircraft numbers don't match the normal practice in first-line combat units. May I suggest that these two-digit numbers are most probably those of one of the second-line Jagdgruppen, or even a training school, which one I cannot guess. Thus, while the site may be Le Bourget, the pictured aircraft would not have been involved in JG 2 or JG 26 conversion training.


RA

[ouidjat]

Euuuh, Yes
good guess, it's a JGr.West machine.
Le Bourget does concern only one picture ... one of the other can be Villacoublay and another one Cazaux.

As for 497, can be (120)497 too.
One of the picture of this batch shows an Emil of Erg.Sta./JG2, precursor of EJGr. West, then JGr. West ...
Last; EdWest gave us another link of for the same batch ...
An Arado 96 with ... JGr. West Emblem !
https://www.ebay.de/itm/Foto-Flugzeu...4AAOSwDmBdI0~h
So, all lead to JGr. West and/or EJGr. West

Regards,
Franck.

[Rabe Anton]

Folks,

I'm sorry but I guess I cannot read or understand properly. So, in words
of one syllable, as we say:

Is the Fw 190A in the photo believed to be 190.012.0497 or 190.012.5497?

Thanks so much for patience.

RA

[edwest2]

Thank you Franck. Though hard to see, I was hoping someone could identify that emblem.


Best,
Ed