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Old 23rd November 2022, 21:15
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Re: Some enlarged and 'tweaked' known photos of Me 262s

Thank you, Nick. The mention of the "3 existing camera nose-sections" on 22 June 1944 is particularly interesting.
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Old 30th November 2022, 10:58
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277. From Dan O'Connell, Me 262 The Production Log, (Classic, 2005), p. 16:
"Flugkapitän Fritz Wendel made two taxiing runs on 17 July 1942. On the following rainy day, he took off from Leipheim at 08:40 to complete the first Me 262 all jet flight. This lasted for 12 minutes and was made with Jumo T1 [004 A0] engines V8 and V9. It was necessary to apply the brakes in order to bring up the tail, after which rudder and stabilizer response was good but the ailerons were too light. He made the second, 13 minute, flight of the day at 12:05. Landings were easily accomplished at 190 km/h, with the second occurring on the grass field ...".
These screenshots, are taken from the YouTube video "Messerschmitt Me 262", starting at 0:47, of Me 262 V3 W.Nr. 262 000 0003 with the stammkennzeichen "PC+UC".


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278. The first four Me 262 prototypes were tail draggers with rear wheels and the wings swept back only from the outside of the engine nacelles. The bubble canopy of the first six prototypes had an unbroken surround curved perplex windscreen and distinctine vertical three panel sectioning on the port side of the main cover. The huge engine nacelles of the Jumo 004 A0 turbojets of 600 kg thrust are also noteable. And there are no leading edge slots on the wings.
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Old 30th November 2022, 11:17
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279. That this film was shot possibly on 18 July 1942 is evidenced by the lack of the white "V3" seen later in front of the hakenkreuz on both sides of the tailfin. The rudder already has a Flettner tab and appears darker than in the colourized photos. Both the hakenkreuz and balkenkreuz are standard 1942 markings. The upper surfaces and wings have a splinter camouflage of RLM 74 and 75 with mottled sides, Smith & Creek, Me 262 Volume one, p. 94.


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280. Me 262 V3 W.Nr. 262 000 0003 "PC+UC" had made its first flight on 18 July 1942. It then served as a test aircraft to determine flight characteristics and the utility of new modifications. Its last flight on 11 September 1944 was number 149 with 54 hours of flying time. The next day, it was 75% damaged in an Allied bombing of Lechfeld and was written off, (O'Connell, p.17).


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281. This may be Me 262 V3 W.Nr. 262 000 0003 "PC+UC" at the moment of lift off on its first all-jet flight on the morning of 18 July 1942.
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Re: Some enlarged and 'tweaked' known photos of Me 262s

hi all,

there is a link on video on plane described in previous posts:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXdhLCPAcqE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5JYn3yW8qM

Faenor
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Old 4th December 2022, 01:08
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Re: Some enlarged and 'tweaked' known photos of Me 262s

Thank You, Faenor. I have never seen the first one. They are much appreciated.

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Old 7th December 2022, 11:27
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282. On 15 April 1945, elements of the 102nd U.S. "Ozark" Infantry Division captured this Me 262 A-1a in a hangar at Stendal airfield. At first glance, it seems to be intact.


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283. The lack of a vertical stripe between the two RVT bands of blue/red indicate that this is Me 262 A-1a W.Nr. 112385 of I. Gruppe of JG 7. The distinctive yellow hue of the "8" as compared to the white of the balkenkreuz reveals a machine of 3. Staffel. The glare of the sun on the black werknummer and hakenkreuz is deceptive.


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284. A GI inspects the intake of the port Jumo 004.


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285. A close look at the outer port nacelle of "yellow 8" shows the entrance schrapnel holes from a burst of German flak, see O'Connell, p. 149.


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286. The sign at the right reads "Look but don't touch." The "exit wounds" of the flak burst are visible in this picture. W.Nr. 112385 was taken to the American collection yard at Kassel in case it was needed to be shipped to the States, but it was scrapped there.
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Old 9th December 2022, 04:39
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Re: Some enlarged and 'tweaked' known photos of Me 262s

Nice selection Jim.
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Re: Some enlarged and 'tweaked' known photos of Me 262s

Thanks Dan.

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287. The highly camouflaged waldwerk known as "Kuno I" was located in the dense coniferous forest along the A8 autobahn near Scheppach between Ulm and Augsburg. Me 262 A-1a/Jabo W.Nr. 111755 was one of two fully camouflaged aircraft found by American troops in April 1945 among many unpainted Me 262s in the process of assembly. In this picture W.Nr. 111755 is seen in its original location and is easily recognized by the camo pattern on the outer port nacelle.


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288. The Americans were very lucky not to have caused a nose wheel collapse when towing W.Nr. 111755 out onto the roadway using only the nose wheel attachment bar. Note the extensive use of camouflage netting.


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289. While W.Nr. 111755 displays the characteristic camo pattern of JV 44, the addition of the wikingerschiff bomb rack suggests it was destined for KG 51. The waldwerk buildings are well hidden in this photograph.


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290. Another view is more revealing of the buildings.


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291. It seems every passing GI scratched his name on the fuselage of this aircraft.
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Old 14th December 2022, 21:45
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Re: Some enlarged and 'tweaked' known photos of Me 262s

Another good selection Jim, thank you. Nice to see it fully confirmed at being found at Kuno.
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Old 21st December 2022, 11:32
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292. The second camouflaged Me 262 a-1a/Jabo found at "Kuno I" waldwerk was W.Nr. 111747. "Kuno I" did not have its own airfield but was purposely built close to a straightaway stretch of the A8 autobahn. In this photo, W.Nr 111747 is shown to be on a path among the trees close to the autobahn. Note the hydro pole with four white insulators that are an identifiable feature in many of the pictures of unfinished Me 262s along this road.


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293. The werknummer can barely be made out in this photograph but the damage to the aircraft seems not to have come from explosives as in the Hofoldinger Forest but by the deliberate use of heavy equipment. Damage is apparent to the port side of the nose and to the port nacelle, and the tail has been pushed sideways. The unpainted Me 262 behind it has had a bulldozer bucket dropped on it.


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294. The Germans before the damage seem to have dropped the rigid tow bar and covered the intact aircraft with pine branches to camouflage it.


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295. This well known photo shows the narrow forest road behind the aircraft and the large number of now desiccated branches.


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296. Me 262 W.Nr. 111747 became a favourite of passing GIs on which to pose.
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