Question about Jagdgeschwader claims for July 1941

[Maxim1]

19-7-1941 Oblt. Erbo von Kageneck 9./JG 27 DB-3 W. Jarzewo 18.20 28
19-7-1941 Oblt. Georg Ruland 3./JG 54 I-16 Rata - 18.31 -
19-7-1941 Oblt. Georg Ruland 3./JG 54 E/a - 20.48 -
19-7-1941 Oblt. Georg Ruland 3./JG 54 E/a - 20.57 -
19-7-1941 Ltn. Hans-Leopold Henkemeier 1.(Erg)/JG 54 I-18 Insel ösel 17.45 2
19-7-1941 Uffz. Otto Fischer 1.(Erg)/JG 54 I-15 7km NW Arensburg 19.24 1
19-7-1941 Ltn. Walter Nowotny 1.(Erg)/JG 54 I-15 7km NW Arensburg 19.24 1
19-7-1941 Ltn. Walter Nowotny 1.(Erg)/JG 54 I-15 7km NW Arensburg 19.25 2
19-7-1941 Ofw. Franz Blazytko 9./JG 27 Pe-2 W. Rudnja 17.55 11
19-7-1941 Ofw. Franz Blazytko 9./JG 27 Pe-2 W. Rudnja 17.56 12
19-7-1941 Ltn. Walter Nowotny 1.(Erg)/JG 54 I-15 7km NW Arensburg - n.b.
19-7-1941 Ltn. Horst Hannig 6./JG 54 I-18 - 06.20 8
19-7-1941 Oblt. Wolfgang Späte 5./JG 54 DB-3 SW Mschinskaja 17.30 15
19-7-1941 Oblt. Hubert Mütherich 5./JG 54 I-18 - 19.08 25
19-7-1941 Oblt. Wolfgang Späte 5./JG 54 I-18 NE Wloschowo 19.08 16
19-7-1941 Hptm. Franz Eckerle 6./JG 54 SB-2 - 20.45 16
19-7-1941 Hptm. Franz Eckerle 6./JG 54 SB-2 - 20.46 17
19-7-1941 Oblt. Karl-Friedrich Schlossstein Z./JG 77 I-16 - - 1
19-7-1941 n.n. IV./JG 77 E/a - -
19-7-1941 n.n. IV./JG 77 E/a - -
19-7-1941 n.n. IV./JG 77 E/a - -
19-7-1941 n.n. IV./JG 77 E/a - -
19-7-1941 Oblt. Gerhard Michalski Stab II./JG 53 R-5 - 17.25 15
19-7-1941 Hptm. Walter Spies Stab II./JG 53 R-5 - 17.27 3

[oquaig]

Thanks again Maxim,

Can I ask what your source(s) is for this..is it Prien?
Thanks
Oquaig

[Maxim1]

Originally Posted by oquaig

Can I ask what your source(s) is for this..is it Prien?

Jim Perry's claims lists based on Prien's JFV and some other sources.

Jim Perry published his lists on well-known Tony Wood's page but it seems that the link is dead now.

20-7-1941 Fw. Erich Wassermann 7./JG 27 I-153 Dorogobush 09.35 2
20-7-1941 Ofw. Franz Blazytko 9./JG 27 I-153 ENE Jarzewo 06.50 13
20-7-1941 Oblt. Erbo von Kageneck 9./JG 27 DB-3 SE Jarzewo 07.15 29
20-7-1941 Fw. Ernst Riepe 9./JG 27 DB-3 NE Jarzewo 07.17 4
20-7-1941 Gefr. Herbert Ritter 9./JG 27 DB-3 E. Jarzewo 07.23 1
20-7-1941 Ltn. Hans Götz 1./JG 54 SB-3 - 10.25 7
20-7-1941 Oblt. Johann Knauth 10./JG 51 ZKB-19 - 08.55 9
20-7-1941 Ofw. Heinrich Hoffmann 12./JG 51 DB-3 - 17.10 22
20-7-1941 Ltn. Erwin Fleig 1./JG 51 DB-3 Smolensk 17.10 25
20-7-1941 Oblt. Erbo von Kageneck 9./JG 27 DB-3 SE Jarzewo - 30
20-7-1941 Major Günther Lützow Stab/JG 3 V-11 - - 41
20-7-1941 Major Günther Lützow Stab/JG 3 V-11 - - 42
20-7-1941 Fw. Ernst Heesen 2./JG 3 I-15 SW Buzowka 13.50 9
20-7-1941 Uffz. Heinz Küpper 2./JG 3 I-15 10km SW Buzowka 13.50 5
20-7-1941 Ltn. Eberhard Bock 3./JG 3 DB-3 1km E. Buzowka 16.05 21
20-7-1941 Oblt. Georg Michalek 4./JG 3 I-153 - 15.40 13
20-7-1941 Oblt. Franz Beyer 8./JG 3 I-17 - 18.45 24
20-7-1941 Fw. Gotthard Glaubig 8./JG 3 I-17 - 18.45 6
20-7-1941 Ofw. Ernst Quasinowski 6./JG 52 SB-3 - 09.55 3
20-7-1941 Oblt. Hans Philipp 4./JG 54 I-18 - 14.30 42
20-7-1941 Oblt. Hubert Mütherich 5./JG 54 I-16 - 17.45 26
20-7-1941 Ltn. Hans Beisswenger 6./JG 54 I-18 - 18.50 11
20-7-1941 Major Günther von Maltzahn Stab/JG 53 I-15 - 17.49 39
20-7-1941 Oblt. Wilfried Pufahl Stab/JG 53 V-11 - 17.50 5
20-7-1941 Ltn. Franz Schiehs Stab/JG 53 I-15 - 17.52 9
20-7-1941 Uffz. Hans Esser 5./JG 77 MiG-3 - 10.50 7
20-7-1941 Uffz. Hans Esser 5./JG 77 R-10 - 11.05 8
20-7-1941 Oblt. Walter Höckner 6./JG 77 Pe-2 - 11.57 -
20-7-1941 Fw. Rudolf Schmidt 5./JG 77 MiG-3 - 18.43 20
20-7-1941 Uffz. Hans Esser 5./JG 77 R-10 - - n.b.
20-7-1941 Fw. Wilhelm Baumgartner 9./JG 77 Pe-2 - 17.38 6
20-7-1941 Ofw. Reinhold Schmetzer 8./JG 77MiG-3 - - 20

21-7-1941 Ofw. Franz Blazytko 9./JG 27 Pe-2 ENE Cholm 04.43 14
21-7-1941 Oblt. Günther Scholz 7./JG 54 SB-3 - 20.55 20
21-7-1941 Fw. Karl-Heinz Kempf 7./JG 54 SB-3 - 20.57 13
21-7-1941 Uffz. Günther Fabian 7./JG 54 SB-3 Ssoltzy 21.00 2
21-7-1941 Ltn. Hans-Werner Paulisch 8./JG 54 DB-3 - 18.58 2
21-7-1941 Fw. Walther Nuhn 8./JG 54 DB-3 - 19.01 2
21-7-1941 Oblt. Georg Michalek 4./JG 3 I-153 - 18.45 14
21-7-1941 Oblt. Franz Beyer 8./JG 3 I-16 15km NE Beleja Zerkow 10.47 25
21-7-1941 Ltn. Ivo von Lubich 6./JG 51 E/a - - 5
21-7-1941 Ltn. Ivo von Lubich 6./JG 51 E/a - - 6
21-7-1941 Ltn. Ivo von Lubich 6./JG 51 E/a - - 7
21-7-1941 Fw. Richard Quante 6./JG 51 E/a - - 6
21-7-1941 Fw. Richard Quante 6./JG 51 E/a - - 7
21-7-1941 Fw. Richard Quante 6./JG 51 E/a - - 8
21-7-1941 Fw. Heinrich Lülwes 5./JG 51 E/a - - 1
21-7-1941 Hptm. Erich Woitke Stab II./JG 52 DB-3 - 15.00 15
21-7-1941 Ltn. Adolf Dickfeld 7./JG 52 SB-2 Donaumündung bei Sulina 15.15 3
21-7-1941 Fw. Bruno Wickert 7./JG 52 SB-2 Donaumündung bei Sulina 15.15 2
21-7-1941 Oblt. Hans Philipp 4./JG 54 I-18 - 04.05 43
21-7-1941 Oblt. Hubert Mütherich 5./JG 54 I-18 - 14.57 27
21-7-1941 Major Hannes Trautloft Stab/JG 54 SB-2 Waluj 21.00 18
21-7-1941 Oblt. Karl-Friedrich Schlossstein Z./JG 77 SB-3 - - 2
21-7-1941 Ofw. Karl Munding Z./JG 77 SB-3 - - 1
21-7-1941 Oblt. Felix-Maria Brandis Z./JG 77 SB-3 - - 4
21-7-1941 Uffz. Herbert Rollwage 4./JG 53 SB-3 NE Dno 21.03 3
21-7-1941 Uffz. Wilhelm Rohlff 6./JG 77 Convoy - 15.05 -
21-7-1941 Oblt. Heinrich Setz 4./JG 77 I-16 - 19.16 7
21-7-1941 Oblt. Heinrich Setz 4./JG 77 I-16 - 19.18 8
21-7-1941 Ltn. Joachim Deicke 4./JG 77 R-5 Soroki 19.20 1
21-7-1941 Oblt. Kurt Ubben 8./JG 77 I-61 - 12.38 17
21-7-1941 Ofw. Erwin Riehl 9./JG 77 MiG-3 - 17.32 13
21-7-1941 Ofw. Erwin Riehl 9./JG 77 MiG-3 - 17.34 14

That's all.

[oquaig]

Thank you Maxim,
I found the Tony Woods web site you mentioned but it is not as complete as your list.

http://don-caldwell.we.bs/claims/tonywood.htm

The odd thing about it is that it does not list any of Werner Moelders kills, his name is not even listed...and a ZKB-19 what the heck is that ?

Thanks much
Oquaig

[Maxim1]

Originally Posted by oquaig

Thank you Maxim,
I found the Tony Woods web site you mentioned but it is not as complete as your list.

http://don-caldwell.we.bs/claims/tonywood.htm

The odd thing about it is that it does not list any of Werner Moelders kills, his name is not even listed...and a ZKB-19 what the heck is that ?

Thanks much
Oquaig

Tony Wood compiled his lists from the OKL microfilms which have many gaps. But now you can download a far more complete Jim Perry's lists (the link is on the top of the page).

ZKB-19 is just a misidentification. ZKB (TsKB) means 'Tsentralnoye Konstruktorskoye Byuro' (The Central Design Bureau).

See here:
http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/I-17/tskb-19.html

[oquaig]

Thank You Again Maxim1,

Actually I was reading up on "ZKB-19" this morning. It was the Polikarpov I-17. I saw several other "I-17" claims for July 1941 but I sort of assumed they were MiG-3s. although to me it more closely resembles the LaGG-3. The only units flying MiGs were the 401st IAP and probably the 160th IAP that inherited the last MiGs from 41st IAP on July 4 before it was withdrawn from the front. No one was flying LaGGs in West Front in July. SB-3s I determined to "SB-2bis", the older SB-2s had the flat radiators whereas the SB-2bis was using M103 inline engines and scoop radiators, like the AR-2 (aka SB-RK), but the AR-2 has the new He-111 nose. I know for certain the "V-11" -the Vultee V-11, which bears a striking p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal { margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Times; }div.Section1 { page: Section1; } resemblance to the Su-2,and the Soviets bought examples from the US and built a few with a License-is actually the Su-2, although certain now famous authors still want to believe it is a IL-2.

As for Jim Perry's list...well the first time I looked at it, it started with claims for 1944. One has to scroll a long way down to get to 1941. Thanks for making me look again! And thanks for all your other help as well.

Oquaig