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Old 23rd November 2012, 13:38
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Pilots of No.316 " Warszawski" Squadron .

I am looking for details and if possible photos of the following two pilots .
Fg. Off. Aleksander Gabszewicz and Plt.Off . Bogdan Anders who served in No.316 "Warszawski" Squadron in April , 1941 .
They attached a formation of HE111's off the coast of Wales on 1 April , 1941 and damaged one which later crash landed in Ireland .
I would be very grateful for any help.
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Old 23rd November 2012, 14:56
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Re: Pilots of No.316 " Warszawski" Squadron .

Ad Anders, a few details. He escaped from Warsaw (the city had surrendered on 28.09.39) early in the morning on 26.09.39 on turistic, and old plane PZL-5 with Ryszard Malczewski. The took of from Lotnisko Mokotowskie in Warsaw (Warszawa). To the plane were atteached two gilders, which landed somewhere in Góry Świętokrzyskie.

PZL-5 had landed in Hungary and was 'interened' there, and later pilots had escaped from Hungary to France and to GB.


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Airfield was under German fire, it was a front line. It was not easy task.
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Old 23rd November 2012, 14:58
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Re: Pilots of No.316 " Warszawski" Squadron .

ALEKSANDER GABSZEWICZ

Born on 6 December 1911 at Szawle (now Siauliai in Lithuania). In 1931 he passed his GCE exams in Otwock near Warsaw. In 1932 je joined the Infantry Cadet Officers’ School at Ostrów Mazowiecka. He was commissioned in August 1934. While still at the School he volunteered for air force service. During summer 1933 he completed a gliding course at Ustianowa. Upon commission he was posted to the 30th ‘Kaniów’ Rifle Regiment in Warsaw, but in September 1934 he was posted to the Air Force Officers’ Training Centre at Dęblin for a flying training course. On 11 April 1935 he had a landing accident in PWS-12 no. 57.3 while flying with instructor por. Witalis Nikonow. He cmpleted the course in July and was posted to the training flight of the 1st Air Regiment in Warsaw (on 1 October 1935 he had a minor accident in Potez XXVII no. 41.147, while flying with instructor sierż. Aleksander Daszkowski). In 1936 he completed an advanced flying course at Grudziądz (on 28 May 1936 he failed to recover from spin while flying PWS-10 no. 5.54, the aircraft was destroyed by he escaped unhurt). He was then posted to the 114th Fighter Flight. On 27 April 1937 he had an accident in PZL P.11a no. 7.29 caused by self-inducing vibrations of the airframe (this accident led to orders to verify aileron balance on all PZL P.11s). Between December 1938 and April 1939 he has completed a night flying instructors’ course at the training flight of the 1st Air Regiment kurs instruktorski nocnego pilotażu. In July 1939 he commanded a fighter section tasked with intercepting German aircraft from East Prussia that violated Polish airspace. From August 1939 he was the intelligence officer of IV/1 Fighter Squadron.
On 1 September Gabszewicz shared with kpr. Andrzej Niewiara in shooting down a Heinkel 111, the first German aircraft shot down near Warsaw (trophies from the aircraft are kept in the Polish Army Museum in Warsaw). That same afternoon he was shot down and had to bail out. On 18 September about midday he crossed the Rumanian border. Following a short internment he went by train via Yugoslavia and Italy, arriving in France on 7 October. In March 1940 he was posted to the Polish training Fighter Flight at Lyon-Bron that was tasked with air defence of Lyon in May 1940. From 3 June he led the Polish fighter section in GC III/10.
After the collapse of France he flew across the Mediterranean to North Africa, and then travelled through Algeria, Morocco and Gibraltar, arriving in Britain on 22 June 1940. He received service no. P-0163. In September he was sent for conversion training at No. 5 OTU and on 11 October he was posted to No. 607 Squadron RAF in which he fought in the Battle of Britain. On 12 November he was transferred to No. 303 Sqn. On 22 February he joined the original team of pilots of the newly formed No. 316 Sqn. From July 1941 he was the ‘A’ Flight commander there, and from 14 November 1941 until 5 June 1942 he commanded No. 316 Sqn. Subsequently he was the Polish Liaison Officer at the HQ No. 11 Group RAF. From 25 September 1942 he commanded the Polish Fighter School attached to No. 58 OTU at Grangemouth. From 27 January 1943 he was the Wing Leader of the 2nd Polish Fighter Wing at Kirton-in-Lindsey, and from 21 June he held the same post at the 1st Polish Wing at Northolt. In mid-December 1943 he obtained an exchange posting to the 61st Fighter Squadron 56th Fighter Group USAAF. On 20 February 1944 he assumed command of No. 18 (Polish) Fighter Sector. From 12 July 1944 (when all sectors were disbanded) until 31 May 1945 he commanded No. 131 (Polish) Wing. He then served atthe HQ No. 84 Group. On 21 February 1946 he was appointed Station Commander at RAF Coltishall.
After the war he stayed in Britain. During 1964-1968 and 1970-1982 he was the Chairman of the Polish Air Force Association. On 1 January 1974 he was promoted to the rank of gen. bryg. (in retirement).
He died on 10 October 1983 at Henley Swan, Worcestershire, UK. According to his wish, his ashes were scattered in free Poland in 1992: over Dęblin (where he trained as a pilot) and over Poniatów near Warsaw (where he took off for his first combat sorties).
His decorations included the Golden and The Silver Cross of Virtuti Militari, Cross of Valour and tyhree bars, the British DSO and Bar, the British DFC, and the French Croix de Guerre.
Official score: 9 1/2—1 1/3—3
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Old 23rd November 2012, 15:05
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Re: Pilots of No.316 " Warszawski" Squadron .

Many thanks for all the help gentlemen , super reading. Is there any hope of getting period photos of these two Polish pilots ? Thanks.
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Old 23rd November 2012, 15:07
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Re: Pilots of No.316 " Warszawski" Squadron .

BOHDAN ANDERS

Born on 27 February 1915 in Poznań. Joined the Polish Air Force College at Dęblin and was commissioned in the 12th class, on 1 August 1939. Before that, in March 1939 he was posted for operational practice with the 132nd Fighter Flight of the 2rd Air Regiment in Poznań. He was then reposted to the 131st Fighter Flight, with which he took part in fighting over Poland in September 1939. On 18 September he reached Warsaw (encircled by the Germans). He joined the Air Force Assault Troop (a ground fighting unit). On the morning of 26 September he left Warsaw (together with Sub-Lt Ryszard Malczewski) in a PZL-5 biplane, reaching Hungary. He then went to France, where he joined the exiled Polish Air Force. He trained at Montpellier (January-February 1940). From March 1940 he was a pilot in the POlish section of Capt. Jan Pentz, assigned to the GC II/6. In June 1940 he evacuated to Britain. He received the service no. P-0161. In July 1940 he was posted to the newly forming No. 302 Squadron, but was reposted to the Central Flying School for additional conversion training on RAF aircraft. In March 1941 he joined No. 316 Squadron.
On 2 June 1941 he flew a sortie in Miles Magister I R1838. He hit balloon cables over Newport in bad visibility and crashed at Malpass Road. He was buried in the RAF section of Pembrey Cemetery, Carmarthenshire, Wales.
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Old 23rd November 2012, 15:10
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Re: Pilots of No.316 " Warszawski" Squadron .

W/Cdr Aleksander Gabszewicz later in the war.

I have a photo of Bohdan Anders somewhere, will post next week (unless someone else does it).
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Old 23rd November 2012, 15:40
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Re: Pilots of No.316 " Warszawski" Squadron .

Thank you very much Voy tech , I am so grateful for your help . I look forward to seeing the photo of Bohdan Anders.
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Old 23rd November 2012, 17:25
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Re: Pilots of No.316 " Warszawski" Squadron .

Some correction to B. Anders:

1. he had rank podchorąży, but not podprucznik in IX 39. Th same rank - podchorąży - had pilot R. Malczewski of 34. Eskadra Liniowa.

2. he is in 132. Eskadra Myśliwska (and he claimed 1 victory over He 111 on 11.09), but did not serve in 131. EM.

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Old 27th November 2012, 11:24
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Re: Pilots of No.316 " Warszawski" Squadron .

Bohdan Anders in No. 316 Sqn in 1941.

He was a member of the 12th class of the Polish Air Force College and both he and Malczewski were commissioned as of 1 August 1939, so in September 193 they were both sub-lieutenants (podporucznik). As members of the class have been with their operational units at the time and there was no formal commissionning ceremony, in the chaos of the initial period of war many units were unaware that the cadet officers (podchorazy) had meanwhile become officers, so they were entered in many documents of September 1939 as 'cadet officers' rather than commissioned officers. This is incorrect and with hindsight they should be referred to as sub-lieutenants.

On re-check I admit that the information about him being posted to the 131st Flight before the outbreak of war is incorrect. He went to war with the 132nd, but apparently was reposted to the 131st during the campaign.

I found no trace of Anders ever claiming any victories over Poland in 1939. He is certainly not credited officially with any.
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Re: Pilots of No.316 " Warszawski" Squadron .

Many thanks again Voy Tech for all your help , super material .
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