Luftwaffe and Allied Air Forces Discussion Forum  

Go Back   Luftwaffe and Allied Air Forces Discussion Forum > Discussion > Luftwaffe and Axis Air Forces

Luftwaffe and Axis Air Forces Please use this forum to discuss the German Luftwaffe and the Air Forces of its Allies.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #11  
Old 13th May 2019, 11:01
schwarze-man schwarze-man is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Europe
Posts: 328
schwarze-man is on a distinguished road
Re: Fw190 Spinner

Hi Peter,
From original VDM manual, the 9-12087.32 Haube is not listed. The closest numbered Haube is the 9-12087.34 for the Bf109G. However, It would seem much more likely that your number might be 9-12067.32? This number is correct for many variants of the Ju88, Ju188, and Do217 that had BMW801 engines. The Haube for the Fw190 A-B with BMW801C/D was the 9-12067.30.
From other sources, the Fw190D-9 is listed with the 9-21041.30 Haube. The Fw190D11/12/13 with 9-21036.34 Haube.
I dont have a reference at the moment for the Ta152 Haube. Cheers

SM
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 13th May 2019, 13:51
miraul miraul is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2019
Posts: 16
miraul is on a distinguished road
Re: Fw190 Spinner

Hi Schwarze-Man!
Thenx very much for reply. I bow my head to your knowledge.
Back to the topic. This spinners are from focke-wulf fighters
because were found in place when only made fw fighters,and was found with other fw190 parts. in this place was made version A and
probably other . about ta152 i know nothink. About numbers - on spinners they are places after plates. on a spinner and on a basis . close together. the number 9-12087.32-09-14 is
at the bottom of the base and could be different like on the spinnner .
Best regards Peter

Last edited by miraul; 30th November 2019 at 12:34.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 13th May 2019, 15:17
schwarze-man schwarze-man is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Europe
Posts: 328
schwarze-man is on a distinguished road
Re: Fw190 Spinner

Hi Peter,
Yes, I agree, that number is definitely 9-12087.32-09.14 from what we can see.
This probably means that the particular component that is stamped with that number is a component that was designed originally for the 12087 Haube. However, it probably is being used in a different Haube as a component.
Unfortunately, I do not have all the drawings of all the Haube! It would be normal for the Haube to have two alloy makers id plates showing the Gerat Nr and the Werk Nr. These can be difficult to find but, would help. Cheers

SM
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 13th May 2019, 15:21
Adriano Baumgartner Adriano Baumgartner is offline
Alter Hase
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 2,875
Adriano Baumgartner is on a distinguished road
Re: Fw190 Spinner

Most beautiful piece/spinner....congratulations!!
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 13th May 2019, 15:37
schwarze-man schwarze-man is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Europe
Posts: 328
schwarze-man is on a distinguished road
Re: Fw190 Spinner

Hi Peter,
Now I can see! In your 3rd photograph that you just posted, the id plates are just to the right of the red square around the locking apparture. You can see their rectangular shape with a rivet at each end. Unfortunately, they look to be in poor condition. You might be able to get some numbers with a magnifying glass and possibly, putting oil on the surface? Good luck!

SM
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 14th May 2019, 01:20
miraul miraul is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2019
Posts: 16
miraul is on a distinguished road
Re: Fw190 Spinner

Hi all. Thenx



Schwarze-man ,unfortunately this is just a shadow of plate. i can do unluckily nothink with it



I am sending additional details fw spinners. Next item have inside
inscriptions and drawings -its probably markings of the aluminum sheet manufacturer.
Inside circle have- like other fw190 spinners which I saw -starry ribbing

interesting fact is -inside circle is made by bakelit.I dont know for what.
Best regards Peter

Last edited by miraul; 30th November 2019 at 12:34.
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 14th May 2019, 09:44
schwarze-man schwarze-man is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Europe
Posts: 328
schwarze-man is on a distinguished road
Re: Fw190 Spinner

Hi Peter,

The 3355.1 is the metal specification and, the symbol is the metal makers trademark. The slight "starry" ribbing of the diaphram is to add stiffness to it. The "bakelit" ring is a support ring that fits tightly onto the front of the propellor hub (Nabe) to hold the Haube steady and prevent it distorting in flight. That ring is described as gummi in the manual. It would be a hard rubber. Many other support rings like that are made in Tufnol, which is a reinforced resin. Cheers

SM
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 14th May 2019, 19:05
Broncazonk's Avatar
Broncazonk Broncazonk is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 475
Broncazonk is on a distinguished road
Re: Fw190 Spinner

The measurements provided by miraul correspond to Fw 190 A/F/G spinners.

The prints specify 510 mm as a diameter, and 570 mm as a total vertical (without base plate and band.)

I cannot find the CD that has the ogive drawing and equation. I'm still looking for that set of CDs and will provide the drawings when I find them.

Interestingly enough, the ogive does not appear to be consistent as the series progressed. Ask schwarze-man, but I believe they were constantly fiddling with the airflow into the fan. And also, each prop version had its own spinner. This topic is actually quite complex.

Thank you, miraul, for a fascinating post.

Bronc

Last edited by Broncazonk; 14th May 2019 at 19:51.
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 14th May 2019, 20:05
ouidjat's Avatar
ouidjat ouidjat is offline
Alter Hase
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Shanghai, China
Posts: 3,636
ouidjat is on a distinguished road
Re: Fw190 Spinner

Quote:
Originally Posted by schwarze-man View Post
Hi Peter,

The 3355.1 is the metal specification and, the symbol is the metal makers trademark. The slight "starry" ribbing of the diaphram is to add stiffness to it. The "bakelit" ring is a support ring that fits tightly onto the front of the propellor hub (Nabe) to hold the Haube steady and prevent it distorting in flight. That ring is described as gummi in the manual. It would be a hard rubber. Many other support rings like that are made in Tufnol, which is a reinforced resin. Cheers

SM

Hello SM,
All of this is absolutely correct.
Just a point: When you write "are made in Tufnol", are you saying "are" or "were"? In this instance other rings on Luftwaffe airplanes?
If so, another British product used by Germany during the WWII ?
Since it was and is British patented I'm quite surprised.
...
As for me I used Téflon(r) in Naval constructions and, later (more recently), German made cold mills for the same (generaly speaking) use.
...

For the curious, a very interested internet page:
http://ahistoryoftufnol.org/whatistufnol/index.html


Regards,
Franck.
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 15th May 2019, 02:12
miraul miraul is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2019
Posts: 16
miraul is on a distinguished road
Re: Fw190 Spinner

Quote:
Originally Posted by schwarze-man View Post
Hi Peter,

The 3355.1 is the metal specification and, the symbol is the metal makers trademark. The slight "starry" ribbing of the diaphram is to add stiffness to it. The "bakelit" ring is a support ring that fits tightly onto the front of the propellor hub (Nabe) to hold the Haube steady and prevent it distorting in flight. That ring is described as gummi in the manual. It would be a hard rubber. Many other support rings like that are made in Tufnol, which is a reinforced resin. Cheers

SM
Hi SM
Now all make sence . Thanks for clarifying these issues
Greetings
Peter
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Questions for a Fw190 spinner (with 3 colors) canonne Luftwaffe and Axis Air Forces 5 3rd May 2015 20:34
Victories of 339th Fighter Group (8thAAF) over Germany canonne Allied and Soviet Air Forces 4 1st October 2014 14:12
Fw190 Spinner Diameter harrison987 Luftwaffe and Axis Air Forces 3 11th November 2009 21:52
I/JG11, IV/JG3 or I/JG1 FW190 lost near Schwerin May 1, 1945 walshlee Luftwaffe and Axis Air Forces 4 21st February 2009 16:19
Fw190 F-8 spinner DaveM2 Luftwaffe and Axis Air Forces 6 17th May 2006 05:47


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 16:09.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2004 - 2018, 12oclockhigh.net