About D-520 Luftwaffe camouflage ?

[canonne]

Hi,
Please, do we know the colours of the camouflage wore by the D-520 in Luftwaffe service ?
Lower and upper surfaces, fuselage ...
Here a D-520 of the Groupe Doret (it seems n°28) on display on the Champs Elysées in Paris in 1945.
Thank you
Philippe

[PMoz99]

Have you seen the profiles at wp.scn.ru?
They are not always reliable, but useful as a guide .....
Peter

[Stig Jarlevik]

Philippe

Can't help with any Luftwaffe camouflage, but I don't believe the aircraft you show had anything to do with the Luftwaffe (or Italy for that matter)

I believe all the aircraft used by Groupe Doret came from stocks in North Africa.

Also the digits 28 is a unit code and not any aircraft serial number, so it is not correct to say it is No 28.

Cheers
Stig

[Von Alles]

No Stig, I think that Groupe Doret D-520 came from SNCASE factory in Toulouse and wore german camouflage colors, 74/75 upper surfaces and probably 76 on flanks and undersurfaces. There is a debate about use of yellow on these undersurfaces : all or only under cowling.

[Stig Jarlevik]

Originally Posted by Von Alles

No Stig, I think that Groupe Doret D-520 came from SNCASE factory in Toulouse and wore german camouflage colors, 74/75 upper surfaces and probably 76 on flanks and undersurfaces. There is a debate about use of yellow on these undersurfaces : all or only under cowling.

Possible
I don't have much to go on regarding the late D.520 production.
But whatever, the aircraft used by Doret had nothing as such to do with Luftwaffe.

Cheers
Stig

[canonne]

Thank you very much indeed for your help. It seems that – with no proofs ...- D-520 wore Luftwaffe Camouflage. Not see such camouflages on aircrafts of Armée de l’Air during WWII.
The excellent works of François Xavier Bibert (in Essai de numérotation et d’affectations des dewoitine d.520 : source : https://www.bibert.fr/Joseph_Bibert_...fectations.htm)
point numerous information connecting former Armée de l’Air D-520 (veterans of 1940 period) or French D-520 built/assembled in Toulouse with Luftwaffe training units,
for example :
NUMÉRO : 474 ?
UNITÉ – Date d’affectation OBSERVATIONS :
GC I/1 + Jg 105 + GC Doret + GCB II/18
Lieu – Pilote - Etat : Ecole des Moniteurs de Tours Toulouse – 03/1942 (photo) + Bron – 11/1942 + BE 704 + Dissolution le 31/08/1947

I think the questions can be use for some Regia Aeronautica’s D-520 wich returned to Groupe Doret ... At least for one. What were the camouflage of Italian or Bulagrian D-520 ? Same as the Luftwaffe's ones ?
Thank you
Philippe

[Von Alles]

Italian D-520s came from seized Vichy units (so with french camouflage colors), but Bulgarians came from Luftwaffe (so with german colors).

[Stig Jarlevik]

What an excellent list Philippe

Thanks for finding it!

Cheers
Stig

[canonne]

PMOZ99, you are right it gives a very good occasion to compare the camouflages,

Stig, I am sorry, have no information about D-520 in Algeria for example in 1944-1945 … Did they stay there ?

Von Alles, I did not know that about “Italian D-520”. So your information “German camouflage colors, 74/75 upper surfaces and probably 76 on flanks and undersurfaces. There is a debate about use of yellow on these undersurfaces : all or only under cowling” seems to be very good way of study.

Thank you very much !

Philippe

[Stig Jarlevik]

Originally Posted by canonne

Stig, I am sorry, have no information about D-520 in Algeria for example in 1944-1945 … Did they stay there ?

Philippe

Sorry to say Philippe, that makes two of us.

I probably have some details, but they are then most likely spread around in various books and articles.
I do have the four Adl'A and two AN North African units which used the D.520 at the time of Operation Torch and which no doubt was also quite valid also into 1943 when at least Adl'A units began to receive Allied equipment.
I was also led to believe it was these aircraft from those units that equipped Groupe Doret, but it now seems they collected D.520 from wherever they could.
However, books and articles (in English) are sadly lacking from this period, at least in my home, and I don't even think there has been published much useful data in France of their Allied period 1943-45 either, or has it?

Cheers
Stig