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Old 18th July 2013, 22:15
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Les as du Junkers Ju 87 Stuka 1936-1945 Jean-Louis Roba

Les as du Junkers Ju 87 Stuka 1936-1945
Jean-Louis Roba

http://www.aerostories.org/~aerobiblio/article4102.html

Does anybody have this, and if so could they comment on it especially if it contains material that is different to either the various Smith volumes but also the two new de Zeng & Stankey ground attack volumes?

Many thanks!
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Old 27th September 2013, 21:39
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Yes, I have the book. It has the impressive format of 25x32 cm and the text and the photos are very balanced. It makes fun to read the -french- text and to see quite a lot of new photos. Another new book on the Ju - 87 which I really can recommend.
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Old 27th September 2013, 23:06
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Re: Les as du Junkers Ju 87 Stuka 1936-1945 Jean-Louis Roba

Thank you very much, I appeciate your comments.
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Old 28th September 2013, 17:55
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Re: Les as du Junkers Ju 87 Stuka 1936-1945 Jean-Louis Roba

Chris,

I just picked up Roba's Jagdwaffe aces book produced by the same publisher in the same format. To be honest if the Stuka book is anything like this (no reason to think that it won't be...although they are cellophane wrapped on French bookshelves, so no browsing possible..) I'd think twice about getting it. It's what you'd describe as a 'coffee-table' book - large full page pics of smiling aces, comparatively few pics of aircraft and lots and lots of white space..in this case the first 7 pages of this particular 192-page book are either all white space or just have a paragraph or two of text on them, each chapter page (about 20 of them) just one pic in the middle of an otherwise blank page, no doubt some art grad's idea of trendy layout and design. Otherwise as Sharkers says Roba's opinionated text always makes for interesting reading and there are a decent number of 'new' pics...I've no idea why Lela Presse didn't get these and give them their treatment
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Old 28th September 2013, 19:21
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Re: Les as du Junkers Ju 87 Stuka 1936-1945 Jean-Louis Roba

Thank you Neil, I find it's always difficult buying a foreign book, weighing ones lack of fluency against picture content hoping that one can make sense of the few words one does understand.

Thanks again for your your input.

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Re: Les as du Junkers Ju 87 Stuka 1936-1945 Jean-Louis Roba

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...Otherwise as Sharkers says Roba's opinionated text always makes for interesting reading...
Can you give us a few samples of this opinionated text? Thanks.
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Re: Les as du Junkers Ju 87 Stuka 1936-1945 Jean-Louis Roba

Hi Dénes

..Roba has come in for some criticism for his choice of language in one or two areas in his Stuka book (the Versailles 'Diktat'..etc), there's a bit of that here but nothing that bothers me overly..

a couple of examples of Roba's 'style';
" the German ace 39-45 continues to fascinate. While there is keen interest in the aviators of many other air arms 39-45, it is in the fighter pilots of the Luftwaffe where interest is at its greatest...The strength of our fascination is explained chiefly by their weaknesses.....as in all walks of life there were shysters and frauds (tricheurs) ...while the 'game' was played largely correctly at the beginning of the war with the concept of Staffelabschüsse.. these quickly disappeared into the tallies of the ambitious. ..even discounting 50% of their claims the German aces' performance continues to provoke astonishment if not admiration. Honour, camaraderie and loyalty were the key words that defined the Tagjagd - words which may provoke disquiet in an era when such concepts have largely lost all value.."
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Re: Les as du Junkers Ju 87 Stuka 1936-1945 Jean-Louis Roba

Personally I have no problems with the above quotes.

And the Versailles 'Diktat' ending WW 1, was, in fact, a diktat, without the apostrophes.
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Re: Les as du Junkers Ju 87 Stuka 1936-1945 Jean-Louis Roba

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Personally I have no problems with the above quotes.

And the Versailles 'Diktat' ending WW 1, was, in fact, a diktat, without the apostrophes.
Was it more or less of a diktat, would you say, than the terms the Germans exacted from the Russians under the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk?
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Re: Les as du Junkers Ju 87 Stuka 1936-1945 Jean-Louis Roba

Not even close. Simply look at a map. Even after Brest-Litovsk Russia remained by far the largest country in the world, plus that Germans did not dictate how the Russians should run their country whereas the Versailles diktat directly intervened in the internal affairs of a country. An analogue would be like two neighbours quarreling and the end result being that fellow X would dictate his neighbour Y how the latter should **ck his wife.

It is simply amazing how many people fail to see how completely alien Versailles style "peace negotiations" were to European historical tradition based on respecting an enemy.
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