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Old 17th January 2018, 20:42
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Additional info on five losses of JG300 & JG301, 22-23 September 1943?

Dear all,

For the preparation of a plotting map of the night of 22-23 September 1943 in the NCA series, I am looking for additional info on five losses of JG300 & JG301:

6./JG300, Fw190 A, Wrk.Nr.?, crash location? (Fw. Merten baled out following air combat with Viermot).
III./JG300, Bf109 G, Wrk.Nr.?, crash location? (pilot baled out).
1./JG301, Bf109 G, Wrk Nr?, crashed Verden an der Aller (Ofw. Neumeier).
3./JG301, a/c type & Wrk.Nr.?, crashed Verden an der Aller (Uffz.Dienst).
7./JG301, Bf109 G-6, Wrk.Nr.?, crashed at Hannover-Wunstorf.

Thanks for any info,

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Old 17th January 2018, 21:14
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Re: Additional info on five losses of JG300 & JG301, 22-23 September 1943?

Hello Theo,
my father, Sgt Victor Lander was a gunner on Lancaster R5700 ,9 Sqd which was shot down by a JG.300 pilot on this night.
It was the crew's first operation.

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Old 17th January 2018, 22:36
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Re: Additional info on five losses of JG300 & JG301, 22-23 September 1943?

I have slightly different info:
1943-09-22, 6./JG 301 (1./JG 11), Fw 190 A-4, 142347, 33 km nordwestlich Neuharlingersiel, 15 km nordwestlich Wittmund
Flugzeugführer Fw Marten, Wilhelm, +
Absturz nach Luftkampf. Bruch 100 %.
1943-09-22, III/JG 300 (III/JG 11), Bf 109 G-6, 20382, Bei Oldenburg
Flugzeugführer Ofw Fleischmann, Leodega, verletzt
Absturz nach Luftkampf. Bruch 100 %.
1943-09-22, 1./JG 302, Bf 109 G-6, 20761, Verden/Aller, 33 km südöstlich Bremen
Flugzeugführer Ofw Neumeier, Xaver, verletzt
Absturz infolge eigenem Flakbeschuß. Bruch 100 %.
1943-09-22, 3./JG 302, Bf 109 G-6, 26026, Verden/Aller, 33 km südöstlich Bremen
Flugzeugführer Uffz Dienst, Werner, verletzt
Absturz nach Zusammenstoß mit Bf 109. Bruch 100 %.
1943-09-22, III/JG 300 (III/JG 11), Bf 109 G-6, 19851, Bei Fl.Pl. Wunstorf
Flugzeugführer Lt Germann, Karl
Notlandung infolge Bordwaffenbeschuß. Bruch 70 %.

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Old 17th January 2018, 22:37
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Re: Additional info on five losses of JG300 & JG301, 22-23 September 1943?

Theo, do you have the book "Luftkrieg im Weserbergland" ?

I checked it (as I reminded it as giving crash locations for some JG 300 pilots) and there is nothing for JG 300/301 that night, but details on Halifaxes HX154 and a second bomber that is identified both as Halifax LM232 and Lancaster DS675 in text and in annexes...

For German losses, one is listed in annex (and is not in narrative): Ju 88 C-6 of 5./NJG 3 at Eberholzen, Lt Wallrath and another crew KIA.

By the way, the JG 30x losses I was thinking about in this book are for the Kassel raid on 22 October, several crashplaces listed in the book, tell me if you're interested.
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Old 17th January 2018, 22:38
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Re: Additional info on five losses of JG300 & JG301, 22-23 September 1943?

Hello Bruce,

Thanks for your reply -actually, your father's Lancaster R5700 was coned by Flak searchlights and brought down by a combination of Flak and a twin-engined night fighter, the Flak and Flak searchlights being eventually credited with the kill, as I'll explain in detail in my new book series the Nachtjagd Combat Archive.

You can PM me for further details,

cheers, Theo
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Old 17th January 2018, 22:58
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Re: Additional info on five losses of JG300 & JG301, 22-23 September 1943?

Theo,
I have the following data.
III/JG 300 G-6 15469 100% Neunkirchen Fw. E.Täubner
III/JG 300 G-6 15869 70% Limburg (D) Pilot ?
Stab III/JG 300 G-6 19884 100% Achim / Bremen Hptm. M.Langer KIA
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Old 18th January 2018, 10:03
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Re: Additional info on five losses of JG300 & JG301, 22-23 September 1943?

Thanks chaps for your useful additions/corrections to the listing. That only leaves these two JG300 losses, of which I'd like to know the crash locations and Wrk.Nr's:

6./JG300, Fw190 A, Wrk.Nr.?, crash location? (Fw. Merten baled out following air combat with Viermot).
III./JG300, Bf109 G, Wrk.Nr.?, crash location? (pilot baled out).

And Laurent: yes I have studied the book "Luftkrieg im Weserbergland" during the research of the NCA series.

Cheers, Theo
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