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Old 24th July 2017, 07:00
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Ju 87 losses

Hello,

I am looking for details on a Ju 87 losses (Hptm. Wilfried Herling and Lt. Hans Krumminga) of SG.2 "Immelmann" in combat on 28.11.1943 over Air Base Bol. Kostromka (Ukrain).

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Old 24th July 2017, 12:03
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Re: Ju 87 losses

Hello Oleg,

in the GenQu. loss reports from December 24, 1943 are listed:

28.11. 7./Schl.G. 2 Feindflug Bolschaja-Kostromka von abstürzendem Flugzeug in der Luft gerammt, Aufschlagbrand
Ju 87 D-5 13093 100%
F Oblt Wilfried Herling (Staffelkapitän) tot
Bf Uffz Heinz Ludwig tot

28.11. III./Schl.G. 2 Feindflug Bolschaja-Kostromka vermutlich eigener Flakbeschuß
Ju 87 D-5 13971 100%
F Lt Hans Krumminga tot
Bf Uffz Heinz Platzeck tot.

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Old 25th July 2017, 21:16
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Re: Ju 87 losses

Hello Leo!

Many thanks for very interesting information!

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Oleg
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Old 26th July 2017, 00:59
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Re: Ju 87 losses

Note that the WNr. listed by Rottler are incomplete. They should be 6-digit WNr., rather than the 5-digits reported. WNr. 13971 is most likely WNr. 130971. The other WNr. 13093 is more problematic. Losses for Stukas in the 1310xx/1311xx series started showing up in late 1943, but it could also be 13093x - with the missing digit in either of the last four positions.

Both these guys were RK recipients. It would be cool to be able to get a complete documented WNr., and of course the 'T6+_R' code, for one or both of them.

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Old 26th July 2017, 08:51
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Re: Ju 87 losses

My suggestion to 13093 is 130953, because 130955 and 130958 were also used by Schl.G 2. Several of 13093X were used by Schl.G 1. Its code was T6+BR.
13971 was T6+CD.

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Old 26th July 2017, 12:46
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Re: Ju 87 losses

Many thanks Jim and Matti!

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Old 26th July 2017, 23:35
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Re: Ju 87 losses

Did any five-digit WNr exist in the first place?

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Old 27th July 2017, 17:21
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Re: Ju 87 losses

I have 30-40 losses for Stukas that begin 31xxx. These range from 31031 to 31712, and are scattered through dates from May-43 through early-45. The earliest of these losses would appear to occur too early for 131xxx WNr. while the later losses may or may not be missing the leading '1'. There are a very few other 5-digit losses starting with a '1' or a '2' but these appear to be due to typing errors.

The preceding statement is based on observation of Ju 87 losses only. I've never seen anything with any detail on Ju 87 production WNr. blocks.
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Old 27th July 2017, 18:51
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Re: Ju 87 losses

Thanks Jim

I find the WNr of the Ju 87 D very puzzling.
No book I can think of has tried to tackle them properly. I guess no one here wants to do it either, so....

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Old 27th July 2017, 23:23
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Re: Ju 87 losses

This is what I have from the WWW if its correct ?
Junkers Ju87 V1 to V11 WNr.4921 to WNr.4929
Junkers Ju87 A-0 WNr.087 0001 to WNr.087 0011 JFM Bernburg 11
Junkers Ju87 A-1 WNr.087 0012 to WNr.087 0156 incl. two K-1s for Japan 145
Junkers Ju87 A-2 WNr.087 0157 to WNr.087 0183 27
Junkers Ju87 B-0 WNr.087 0184 to WNr.087 0193 10
Junkers Ju87 B-1 WNr.087 0194 to WNr.087 0293 100
Junkers Ju87 B-1 WNr.087 0294 to WNr.087 0459 165 given as A-2
Junkers Ju87 B-2 C-1 WNr.087 0460 to WNr.087 0580 0569-0573 C-1 intended for carrier purposes 121
Junkers Ju87 C-1 WNr.087 0581 to WNr.087 0750 170 not built
Junkers Ju87 A-1 WNr.087 5000 to WNr.087 5069 Weser Flugzeugbau in Bremen Lemwerder 70
Junkers Ju87 B-1 WNr.087 5070 to WNr.087 5426 Weser Flugzeugbau in Bremen Lemwerder 357
Junkers Ju87 R-1 WNr.087 5427 to WNr.087 5490 Weser Flugzeugbau in Bremen Lemwerder 65
Junkers Ju87 B-1 WNr.087 5491 to WNr.087 5529 Weser Flugzeugbau in Bremen Lemwerder 40
Junkers Ju87 R-1 WNr.087 5530 to WNr.087 5555 Weser Flugzeugbau in Bremen Lemwerder 25
Junkers Ju87 B-1 WNr.087 5556 to WNr.087 5561 Weser Flugzeugbau in Bremen Lemwerder 5
Junkers Ju87 B-2 WNr.087 5562 to WNr.087 5661 Weser Flugzeugbau in Bremen Lemwerder 100
Junkers Ju87 R-2 WNr.087 5662 to WNr.087 5710 Weser Flugzeugbau in Bremen Lemwerder 50
Junkers Ju87 B-2 WNr.087 5711 to WNr.087 5761 Weser Flugzeugbau in Bremen Lemwerder 50
Junkers Ju87 R-2 WNr.087 5762 to WNr.087 5799 Weser Flugzeugbau in Bremen Lemwerder 40
Junkers Ju87 B-2 WNr.087 5800 to WNr.087 5830 Weser Flugzeugbau in Bremen Lemwerder 30
Junkers Ju87 R-2 WNr.087 5831 to WNr.087 6200 Weser Flugzeugbau in Bremen Lemwerder 370
Junkers Ju87 R-4 WNr.087 6201 to WNr.087 6346 Weser Flugzeugbau in Bremen Lemwerder 145
Junkers Ju87 D-1 WNr.2000 to WNr.2100
Junkers Ju87 D-1 WNr.2200 to WNr.2300
Junkers Ju87 D-1 WNr.2400 to WNr.2500
Junkers Ju87 D-1 WNr.2600 to
Junkers Ju87 D-3 WNr.2700 to WNr.2800
Junkers Ju87 D-3 WNr.2900
Junkers Ju87 D-3 WNr.1000 to WNr.1100 series are the same as the 5 digit 31000 series
Junkers Ju87 D-3 WNr.100 000 to WNr.110 000
Junkers Ju87 D-3 WNr.13.0000 to
Junkers Ju87 D-3 WNr.13.1000 to
Junkers Ju87 D-3 WNr.13.2000 to
Junkers Ju87 D-3 WNr.31000 to WNr.31100 series are the same as the 4 digit 1000 series
Junkers Ju87 D-5 WNr.140 000 to
Junkers Ju87 D-5 WNr.141 000 to
Junkers Ju87 D-5 WNr.142 000 to
Junkers Ju87 D-3 to G-1 Ju87D-3 (with MG17 and old wings) were converted to Ju87G1
Junkers Ju87 D-3 to G-2 Ju87D-5 (with MG151 and new wide wings) - to Ju87G-2
Junkers Ju87 D-5/D-6 WNr.430004 to WNr.430247
Junkers Ju87 G-2 WNr.4901.. to WFG Lemwerder -1944-04- to -1944-07- Converted from D-3
Junkers Ju87 G-2 WNr.4942.. to WFG Lemwerder -1944-04- to -1944-07- Converted from D-3
Junkers Ju87 G-2 Weser 208 RLM aircraft production programms nr. 226 and 227 of 15.7.44 and 1.12.44
Junkers Ju87 WNr.494257
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