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Unternehmen Bodenplatte 60th Year Anniversary!
Today it is 60 years ago that hundreds of Luftwaffe fighters roared over the Low Countries to attack Allied Airfields. An attack that had my interest since the first time I heard about it and that would end in something that I never thought was possible. This morning I got a call from a stil very enthousiastic and bright Ewald Trost, former Hpmt. and Staffelkapitän of 2./JG 6 who was shot down on 1.1.45. Sixty years ago he was at this time in a Dutch hospital treated by Dutch doctors for his wounds he sustained in his crashlanding near Eindhoven. A great character and strong supporter for our Bodenplatte book. Finally I want to ask you to remember the dozens of German fighter pilots that are stil are unaccounted for after the raid of 1.1.45. May they rest in peace and let them be a reminder for the horrors of war.
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Hello John,
I might have an indication as to where one of the missin luftwaffe flyers ended up. In your book on page 35 there is a photograph of a crashed Fw190. It shows the right side of the aft fuselage with a single colour unit band and a second gruppe bar. The only second grupe with a single colour unit band was II./JG.1, this unit lost the following Fw190s that day 171513 173813 173932 352518 733978 739230 739235 739429 960473 960547 960659 960677 960679 Note that the fuselage balkenkreutz on page 35 has a black centre whith white edges. On page 22 you can see that 730000 series Fw190s can be excluden because it they have different balkenkreutzes. On page 24 we can see that the same goes for 960000 series Fw190s. I have never seen photographes of 352000 series Fw190s so I cant exclude those. On page 8, a 170000 series Fw190 is displaying the right kind of balkenkreutz. This leaves: 171513, black 4 173813, yellow 16 173932, yellow 14 352518, white 8. The second gruppe bar is neither black nor white, leaving yellow as the only remaining colour. Since yellow 16 crashed near Almelo, hundreds of kilometers north of St. Denis-Westrem, it must be yellow 14. Acording to the loss list this Fw190A-8 with its pilot, OFW Kurt Niedereicholz, is still unacounted for. Doe you know if any unknown germans were buried near St. Denis-Westrem early 1945 ? Hope this helps, Dennis |
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Unknown graves of pilots 1.1.45
Hello Dennis, interesting theory. The problem is that for Gent and also for Brussels there are several reports that a/c of MIA pilots crashed at certain location. For instance, it is known that Fw. Karl Hahn of 5./JG 1 crashed at St.Denis-Westrem airfield, but his grave is unknown. Most victims in the Gent area were buried at the cemetery Brugse Poort. I have checked all available records of buried German soldiers at Gent, but found only one possible candidate for a pilot of 1.1.45. Unfortunately the details on this grave is so limited that a possible identification is out of the question. At Brussels we have details about 3 or 4 pilots which crashed in that area, were identified by the Allies but their graves are unknown. At Brussels cemetery I couldn't find any unknown grave of 1.1.45. I have no idea where the remains of these pilots were buried....
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Re: Unknown graves of pilots 1.1.45
I am not sure but does the disscussed photo show a rather bent and twisted fuselage section at Ghent?
If so, this can be aircraft described by Jerzy Główczewski, 308 Sqn, as crashed without wings and with a decapitated pilot still in the cockpit. Reputedly wing from the aircraft was used as a background for several portraits of Polish airmen. Lack of graves may be explained by the lack of bodies - many German aircraft were reported to burn and I do not think anybody cared to make symbolic graves not even knowing names of the airmen in question. Franek |
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Franek you have the right photograph in mind!
The Polish pilots with the Fw190 wing are on page 39. I do not think this wing belonges to 173932. Fw190s from this serie usualy have a different type of underwing balkenkreutz than the one shown here. There is not enough information in this photograph for me to ty this wing to a certain Fw190 series. I agree that some of the Germans corpses must have been badly burned. However, when a Dutch forensic dentist, who was involved in the identification of victims of the El-Al crash in Amsterdam in 1992, was asked, he said that it was higly unlikely that a human body was completely burned, there is always something left. I gues that it just wasn't such a high prioryty in those day. As John wrote "about 3 or 4 pilots which crashed in that area, were identified by the Allies but their graves are unknown" John, Do you know if OFW Kurt Niedereicholz was indentified by the allies? If this was not than it only strengtens the case. The wreck looks rather burned towards the cockpit area. It could wel be that the pilot was burned beyond indentification. I believe German identity disks were made of zink, it must melt at some point. A Fw190 has two fueltanks under, and one behind the cockpit. There was fuel enough for the return journey so it must have been quite a fire. Bu the way, on page 38 there is a photograph of a Fw190 that you think to be 730407. If you look at page 22/23 you can see that this series had a different fuselage balkenkreutz. Thanks John and Franek |
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Ofw. Niedereichholz
Ofw. Niedereichholz was never found nor any trace of his a/c was ever found. I don't think these pilots were burned beyond recognition, at least not when they were shot down at low level over the airfield. Most of them would have been catapulted out of the cockpit like horrible pictures of Eindhoven and Metz show also (not published by me as this was a step too far). It is possible however that burials were not properly recorded....and this is an understatement...!!!
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Re: Ofw. Niedereichholz
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