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Old 16th April 2017, 11:31
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Re: Is there a list of German Bomber Aces

Hi Guys

Seems he was killed possibly in collision with a Jak-9 in Fw190 "White 8" Wnr.584364 1,5km East of Letschin/Kreis Lebus quadrant 43362.

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P.S can't say I have seen a tank ace list, but any list would be totally dominated by Hans-Ulrich Rudel.
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Old 17th April 2017, 15:15
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Re: Is there a list of German Bomber Aces

Maksim, I suspect a Frontflug is just a mission, such as transport, and even perhaps any mission where there was no combat, whereas a Feindflug is a combat mission.
For example, Harl-Heinz Stahnke had 600 missions by 4/1944, but ended the war with around 300 combat missions.
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Old 19th April 2017, 00:43
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Re: Is there a list of German Bomber Aces

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Hello, G. R. Morrison.

What is the difference between Feindflüge and Frontflüge?

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A Feindflug is a mission over enemy territory or into enemy airspace; Frontflüge were the number of 'flights' credited to an airman towards the award of a Frontflugspange (in gold, silver, bronze). As mentioned above, when a mission extended over 4 hours in enemy air space, the airman was awarded double points towards the Spange, increasing to 3 and 4 points for over 6 and over 8 hour flights. Single-engine fighters and dive-bombers usually only had the range for short flights so it is transport, bomber and reconnaissance airmen who tended to accumulate multiple scores.
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Old 19th April 2017, 16:19
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OK, thank you very much.

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Old 21st April 2017, 16:53
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Re: Is there a list of German Bomber Aces

Tim

I don't think a Feindflug had to be over enemy territory. I believe combat mission is good enough, ie a mission where some form of enemy contact was either made or intended to be made.

For example, in the west, most missions flown by the fighter units from ca mid-1941 were defensive missions, not to mention from 1943 when the never ending missions to protect Germany itself started.

Since you most certainly know this I just wanted to point out that territory can't have been the critical issue.

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Old 22nd April 2017, 23:25
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Re: Is there a list of German Bomber Aces

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Tim

I don't think a Feindflug had to be over enemy territory. I believe combat mission is good enough, ie a mission where some form of enemy contact was either made or intended to be made.

For example, in the west, most missions flown by the fighter units from ca mid-1941 were defensive missions, not to mention from 1943 when the never ending missions to protect Germany itself started.

Since you most certainly know this I just wanted to point out that territory can't have been the critical issue.

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Hi Stig

You are of course correct. The criteria had to change as German military activity became increasingly defensive. Thanks for the correction.

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