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Old 5th May 2016, 11:10
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Lt Adolf v.Gordon (Stab III./JG3) and his Bf109 were founded 30.Apr.2016

The site listed below is all in Russian. It seems legitimate so we will not input our normal codicil about posts being in English. Moderator

Lt Adolf v.Gordon (Stab III./JG3) and his Bf109 were founded 30.Apr.2016

http://iskatelklada.tuapse.ru/forum/...109.html#19952

5 pages of the photos and comments at the moment.

Counter to German data (Qu.75461, i.e. SE Noworossijsk) the plane has crashed 3 km NW Krymskaja. Maybe the plane not fell immediately after the damage.

According to preliminary data, the cause of loss was 7.62-mm MG fire (Russian 7.62-mm bullet was founded inside the plane). If the German version is right (air combat with Il-2s), it was from wing MG (some Il-2s had also 7.62 mm rear MG instead of 12.7 mm).

I'll try to analyse the circumstances later.

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Old 5th May 2016, 14:05
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So Lt. Friedrich-Karl Bühmann *17.5.1923, EKMNr.53931/179, der
4./JG 52, 29.05.1943 Luftkampf um 18.20 Uhr, östl. Kjewskoje(Pl.Qu.76892).
FF - exchanges his Dogtag with Lt. v. Gordon ? Or Lt. v. Gordon exchanges the ring with Lt. Bühmann ?
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Old 5th May 2016, 17:38
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Re: Lt Adolf v.Gordon (Stab III./JG3) and his Bf109 were founded 30.Apr.2016

Perhaps if you are able to find entry holes of bullets from front or behind, it would be made either by an rear-facing turret or an attacking aircraft. Just a theory.

Grim, it appears there is still flesh, so DNA x-checking should be possible...

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Old 5th May 2016, 18:52
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Re: Lt Adolf v.Gordon (Stab III./JG3) and his Bf109 were founded 30.Apr.2016

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So Lt. Friedrich-Karl Bühmann *17.5.1923, EKMNr.53931/179, der
4./JG 52, 29.05.1943 Luftkampf um 18.20 Uhr, östl. Kjewskoje(Pl.Qu.76892).
FF - exchanges his Dogtag with Lt. v. Gordon ? Or Lt. v. Gordon exchanges the ring with Lt. Bühmann ?
Probably it was incorrect info initially from Volksbund or so.

Pl.Qu.76892 is far more close to the place in question. So it is Bühmann.
But the ring is a puzzle.
About Dogtag exchange between the pilots - a strange practice if it was really.

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Old 5th May 2016, 19:00
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Re: Lt Adolf v.Gordon (Stab III./JG3) and his Bf109 were founded 30.Apr.2016

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Perhaps if you are able to find entry holes of bullets from front or behind, it would be made either by an rear-facing turret or an attacking aircraft. Just a theory.
I'm far from the place of the finding. But don't sure that finding of the bullet hole is possible. The bullet was discovered among the plane's electric wiring.

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Old 21st April 2017, 13:11
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Re: Lt Adolf v.Gordon (Stab III./JG3) and his Bf109 were founded 30.Apr.2016

Is there any news about this finding, not all, at least, seems very clear

??

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Old 21st April 2017, 18:55
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Re: Lt Adolf v.Gordon (Stab III./JG3) and his Bf109 were founded 30.Apr.2016

I've found a photo of Adolf von Gordon (attached), but does any of you happen to have a photo of Friedrich-Karl Bühmann?
Thank you very much in advance.
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Old 24th April 2017, 10:35
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Re: Lt Adolf v.Gordon (Stab III./JG3) and his Bf109 were founded 30.Apr.2016

Hi Rémi,

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Is there any news about this finding?
Remains and pilot's personal property were handed over to Volksbund.

Some papers were discovered, last 3 digits of WNr 19489 are visible. So it is Bühmann's plane without doubt.

http://iskatelklada.tuapse.ru/media/...6/IMGP8074.JPG
http://iskatelklada.tuapse.ru/media/...6/IMGP8073.JPG

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Re: Lt Adolf v.Gordon (Stab III./JG3) and his Bf109 were founded 30.Apr.2016

Hello Teresa,

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does any of you happen to have a photo of Friedrich-Karl Bühmann?
They has tried to receive the Bühmann's photo from Volksbund but in vain.

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Old 24th April 2017, 22:03
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Dear Andrey,
This is a pity, but thank you very much for the information.
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