1944 Toplet, Romania, Ju52 crash near Orsova

[egbert]

Matti thanks for your updated information, much appreciated!

[egbert]

Coming back to my very first posting in this thread and the information of the dead being buried in Orsova, Romania. Orsova is the next largest town near the crash site.
With the crash victims there are some other 70+ German war dead from WW! and II on a totally neglected Romanian/Russian war cemetery. One year of negotiation with the German war grave commission (Volksbund Deutsche Kriegsgräberfürsorge) resulted in the official application to Romanian authorities to get permission for all the 70+ dead to be reburied on to a permanent Germany cared concentration cemetery in Romania. All looks good so far and the final approval and start of works is not expected before 1 or 2 years from now.
More infos from me on:
http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/fo...opic=10434&hl=

[egbert]

Pictures from 2014:

[egbert]

Update:
Today I received a phone call from a VdK official. The Romanian authorities, in this case the Romanian MoD, has rejected to relocate the rotten, deteriorated 78 German graves from WWI and II to a proper cared VdK -cemetery in Romania. No explanation came forward to the official Volksbund request for relocation on own German expenses. The 2 year old request seemed to sit idle at a corrupt MoD official's desk. Even the VdK is furious but what can you do with Romania being a "reliable" NATO country, whose veteran's and war grave affaires are handled within the MoD? Well the VdK has immediately launched a new request and consequently I have to wait another 2 years for a response to give the dead a decent and well cared place in a VdK concentration cemetery in central Romania. Unbelievable and only possible in the wild Eastern European hemisphere despite an existing MoU between Germany and Romania on the commonly agreed and mutual work of their war grave commissions, dated and signed 25/06/1996 . The ex-communist hardliners still seem to prevail....and the VdK driven by law and ethics of course is not paying the proper bribe to the Romanian MoD official which is believed to be headed by a colonel.

[egbert]

STRIKING NEWS


As I am writing this post, the VdK is in situ at Orsova cemetery for probing the graves. This is to ensure the graves are existing according to the plot plan. it is the necessary prerequisite for possible later relocation to a cared cemetery.

The German graves have been relocated by the Romanians in the 70s due to the flooding of the old and original nearby Danube river military cemetery to higher grounds.

THEY REPORTED.........



The first grave probing right now at this minute shows that nothing, no bodies, are in the marked German graves that have been investigated right now.



A huge Romanian sting concerning the 78 German graves from WWI and II?

[egbert]

Update as of 13:00hrs

got a call from the team - they dug at and around several graves with no whatsoever finds all morning long. The VdK team still works on place ; a suspicion that raises - the Romanian Red Cross that turned over the individual plot plan with all 78 graves in the 1970s has created a fake plan with a so called propaganda grave site to show the German officials that everything has been cared of nicely. In the telephone call I learned that the VdK has several such examples of Romania and other Eastern countries falsifying official records to sham cared war graves ......

Team will continue until tomorrow.....

P.S. The emerging story is also valid for the other Ju52 crash from 16 April 44. They are buried on the same cemetery.

[egbert]

I wonder that nobody is interested in the news.

So I was informed today about the final result : all German military Orsova graves are fakes.
The Volksbund team has done all the probe digs and nothing was found in the 78 graves from WW1 and WW2 to include the victims from the 1944 Ju52 crashs who are lost forever!

In early 1970 up to today the Romanians falsified all grave documents and with the help of mayor and associates, local priest, Romanian Red Cross, MoD created a fake cemetery and betrayed the next of kin and German authorities.

All graves most likely still lie in the submerged old cemetery that is now sunken in the Danube River at Orsova and were never reburied to higher grounds as "documented".

Welcome to Romania!

[Dénes Bernád]

Please keep us informed! Thanks, in advance.

[egbert]

Originally Posted by Dénes Bernád

Please keep us informed! Thanks, in advance.

I tend to speculate that the some 38 or so Hungarian military graves on same smoke and mirrors cemetery are a sham as well....?!