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Old 2nd July 2008, 22:13
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3 SAAF Sqn wasp motif

Hi,

During the East African campaign, 3 SAAF Sqn had a wasp badge painted on the noses of their Hurricanes. I've seen a few photos of this motif but was wondering if anyone knows what colour it was?

Any help appreciated.

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Old 2nd July 2008, 23:11
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Re: 3 SAAF Sqn wasp motif

Hi Alex
Try this link to a Russian site. It is still not easy to get detail of the badge but you might find a way to enlarge it/
http://wp.scn.ru/en/ww2/f/79/216/0/1 The Russian text id's it as a Hurricane of 3 Sqn SAAF KENYA 1941
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Old 3rd July 2008, 10:49
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Re: 3 SAAF Sqn wasp motif

Both the wartime and the post-war badges:



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Old 3rd July 2008, 13:37
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Re: 3 SAAF Sqn wasp motif

Hi Alex.
Sorry, I am not near my computer till this weekend.
Both these two samples you have did not appear on our A/c.
The white one is a sample of the enamel lapel badge, and the round one as seen post war on our Mirages.
In SAAF at War there is a nice shot of the Hornet on p12.
On p13 it looks like White background.Profile of 3 sqdn Hurri is of the black version.
Colours?? The hornet like a hornet with yellow body, and ? white wings.
The gloves I have seen in yellow and white.
Background looks black most of the time.
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Old 3rd July 2008, 20:38
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Re: 3 SAAF Sqn wasp motif

Hi Alex.
Since I posted my last I have found http://modelingmadness.com/reviews/a.../hahnhurri.htm and all the SAAF 3 Sqn Hurricanes have the slightly cartoonish wasp similar to that on Amrit's post but on a Black Circular background. Like the Russian site we are dealing with someone's interpretation of the badge which is shown on several completed models but it does bring us closer to what Stefaan has put in his post. I didn't see any indication that pointed to 1941 as the datum point for the models.
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Old 3rd July 2008, 21:06
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Re: 3 SAAF Sqn wasp motif

There is a much clearer impression of the wartime badge in 80 Years of the SAAF (I didn't have access to my copy earlier). I don't have access to my scanner at the moment but will try to get a scan tomorrow. However, the basic design is similar to the lapel badge, but thecolours are closer to the second patch I posted.

Will be back with it tomorrow
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Old 3rd July 2008, 22:20
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Re: 3 SAAF Sqn wasp motif

The only one I can find quickly is one on the Mowhawks.
It is in the light background.
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Old 3rd July 2008, 23:12
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Re: 3 SAAF Sqn wasp motif

Hi guys,

Many thanks for all your replies. I have attached a scan of the Wasp badge that I am trying to figure out the colours for.

It's from page 131 of Springbok Fighter Victory, SAAF Fighter Operations 1939-45, Vol 1 East Africa 1940-41 by Michael Schoeman.

This badge appears on most of the 3 Sqn Hurricane photos. 3 Sqn also operated Gladiators for a period of time as well. For the new edition of my Gladiator book I want to have a colour side view showing a 3 Sqn Gladiator with the Wasp badge.

I suspect the circle is black with perhaps a yellow or orange? Wasp.

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Old 4th July 2008, 08:30
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Re: 3 SAAF Sqn wasp motif

Hi Alex.
I would go for yellow body, gloves, and the rest white.
I will get my Hurricane shots out this weekend and send you another Hurricane badge that is different.
The problem is that there were so many variants, that one will have to have a photo of that specific Gladiator to see if it had a badge, and what variant.
I can't recall if I have one with a badge but I'll have a look
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Old 4th July 2008, 08:57
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Re: 3 SAAF Sqn wasp motif

Hi Stefaan,

I was sent a number of Gladiator photos a few days ago. One was of SAAF Gladiator 1339 with four pilots? standing next to it. Only the front part of the badge is visible but it looks like the one I posted.

I have another drawing in mind showing a SAAF Gladiator with the 5 Sqn red/white segmented wheel covers. Again I've seen at least two photos of these.

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