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Re: A-20 17 VA
Minor detail, but tail No.s are reversed in the May 1 and June 1, 1945 lists for the following two 511 ORAP Pe-2s:
May 1, 1945: Pe-2, S/N: 9/155, No.31 Pe-2, S/N: 13/224, No.32 June 1, 1945: Pe-2, S/N: 9/155, No.32 Pe-2, S/N: 13/224, No.31 I don't know which ones are correct, (or if the markings really changed, which I doubt.) Unfortunately I have no info on tail No.s for the late war combat losses, only for the "surviving" planes. |
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Re: A-20 17 VA
Hi Nick,
I reviewed the other Pe-2 and Pe-3 losses in the 2nd and 3rd Ukrainian Front areas beside the 511 ORAP for late 1944-1945: 48 OGvRAP GK Pe-2 and Pe-3 losses: (This was a "mobile" recce. unit, subordinated straight to the VVS HQ., supporting the most critical areas. They had Yak-9D, B-25C and A-20C losses as well, these are just the Pe-2s, Pe-3s.) Pe-2 on August 20, 1944 Pe-2 on November 13, 1944 Pe-2 on December 9, 1944 Pe-2 on December 24, 1944 Pe-3 on January 22, 1945 Pe-2 on February 4, 1945 Pe-3 on February 19, 1945 Pe-3 on March 1, 1945 Pe-2 on March 17, 1945 Pe-3 on April 25, 1945 Pe-2 on April 27, 1945 Pe-2 on May 5, 1945 17 VA, 39 ORAP Pe-2 losses: (They also had Yak-9D, Yak-9M and Yak-9R losses as well). Pe-2 on December 11, 1944 Pe-2 on December 16, 1944 Pe-2 on January 3, 1945 Pe-2 on January 4, 1945 Pe-2 on January 16, 1945 Pe-2 on January 23, 1945 Pe-2 on January 29, 1945 Pe-2 on January 31, 1945 Pe-2 on February 4, 1945 Pe-2 on March 1, 1945 Pe-2 on March 20, 1945 Pe-2 on April 26, 1945 Pe-2 on April 30, 1945. Cheers, Gabor |
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Re: A-20 17 VA
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Re: A-20 17 VA
Sorry, I have no crew details for 15/248, only for 11/196 on January 6, 1945:
ст.л-т Еремин Виталий Михайлович (MIA) ст.л-т Гончарук Василий Федосеевич (MIA) с-а Мухтарулин (MIA) I assume there was no casualty on 15/248, or at least personnel records do not mention them. Soviet records -unlike the American MACRs- do not always report everything in one folder, because eg. the mechanical/maintenance reports do not mention the crews, while combat reports do not always report serials, etc. To get a full view of the event, we must get all possible records together which definitely makes it more difficult. Gabor |
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Re: A-20 17 VA
Yugoslavs and Russians, almost certainly Sombor...
Source-Ebay Cheers Aleks |
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