Loss of P-38 H 42-67064

[Harrie]

Good Evening,

I have this P38 H 42-67064 as a loss on 29-11-43 on a mission to Bremen .
Nevertheless in the SGLO [Dutch loss register i can,t find this one].
The plane was lost in the Emmen area .
My question is this loss correct ? On the internet i can,t find not much.
My source is a map of Emmen of a old researcher ,so i don,t know how reliable this is.

Kindly regards , Harrie

[Horst Weber]

Originally Posted by Harrie

Good Evening,

I have this P38 H 42-67064 as a loss on 29-11-43 on a mission to Bremen .
Nevertheless in the SGLO [Dutch loss register i can,t find this one].
The plane was lost in the Emmen area .
My question is this loss correct ? On the internet i can,t find not much.
My source is a map of Emmen of a old researcher ,so i don,t know how reliable this is.

Kindly regards , Harrie

Harrie

Can you check your serial-number ?. This a/c was not lost in the USAAF registers. Probably a numerical confusion.

That day seven P-38 were lost. One with the s/n 42-67046 near Oldenburg.


best wishes

Horst Weber

[Peter Randall]

I have 42-67020 as going down near Oldenburg but 42-67046 going down at Handschoote. Seems like a mix up of data somewhere down the line!
Peter

[RSwank]

Possibly 42-67069?
http://www.americanairmuseum.com/aircraft/8807

P-38H-5-LO 42-67069 was assigned to the 55FG/338FS at Nuthampstead, UK. On 29-Nov-43 the aircraft, piloted by 2nd Lt Fleming William Suiter, was dispatched with other P-38s from 55th FG to provide escort to bombers attacking at Bremen, Germany. When the flight was near Emmen, Holland they were attacked by about 30 German fighters. 2nd Lt Suiter attempted to escape from the attack by entering a cloud bank but his aircraft was shot down. He managed to bale out of the stricken aircraft and was captured as a Prisoner of War. The aircraft crashed at Mepple, Holland. 1 POW, MACR 1273.

[Leendert]

Just an addition.

See http://www.station131.co.uk/55th/Pil...g%20C%20Lt.htm

and http://www.teunispats.nl/t3136.htm

Meppel is just over 50 kms to the west of Emmen.

Regards,

Leendert

[Rainer]

It seems that the fates of five of the seven P-38s that failed to return on 29 November 1943 are known:
MACR1424 P-38H-5-LO 42-67016 20FG/77FS shot down in air combat between Belt-Schutsloot and Wanneperveen, Netherlands on 29 November 1943. 2Lt John S. Hascall KIA. See SGLO T3132
MACR1428 P-38H-5-LO 42-67051 55FG/38FS shot down in air combat at Hoogeveen, Netherlands on 29 November 1943. 2Lt Albert A. Albino KIA See SGLO T3134
MACR1431 P-38H-5-LO 42-67090 55FG/38FS shot down in air combat at Zwartewatersklooster, Netherlands on 29 November 1943. 2Lt John J. Carroll POW See SGLO T3135
MACR1273 P-38H-5-LO 42-67069 55FG/338FS shot down in air combat near Meppel, Netherlands on 29 November 1943. 2Lt Fleming W. Suiter POW See SGLO T3136
MACR1272 P-38H-5-LO 42-67097 55FG/343FS shot down in air combat at Koekange, Netherlands on 29 November 1943. 2Lt James W. Gilbride KIA See SGLO T3137

However, it is unclear what happened to the CO of 38FS and his wingman:
MACR1429 P-38H-5-LO 42-67020 55FG/38FS missing after air combat west of Oldenburg, Germany on 29 November 1943. Maj Milton Joel MIA. According to SGLO T3133 his aircraft crashed into the IJsselmeer.
MACR1427 P-38H-5-LO 42-67046 55FG/38FS missing after air combat west of Oldenburg, Germany on 29 November 1943. 1Lt James M. Garvin KIA. Where did this aircraft crash? Online sources report several different places in Germany, Netherlands or France. The body of the pilot was repatriated to Iowa in 1949.

[Jaap Woortman]

Originally Posted by Rainer

MACR1427 P-38H-5-LO 42-67046 55FG/38FS missing after air combat west of Oldenburg, Germany on 29 November 1943. 1Lt James M. Garvin KIA. Where did this aircraft crash? Online sources report several different places in Germany, Netherlands or France. The body of the pilot was repatriated to Iowa in 1949.

Acc. to "Double Nickel - Double Trouble" by R.M. Littlefield pag. 27, 2/Lt James M. Garvin was reported down near the Loda Canal, Holland.
But the location of this canal in the Netherlands is unknown to me.

Jaap Woortman

[Leendert]

Jaap,

There is a canal/stream called Leda just SE of Leer in N. Germany.

Also see http://www.teunispats.nl/jack-edward-gibbs-2.htm and scroll down to Galvin.

Groet,

Leendert