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Old 1st January 2006, 13:53
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Colour of KG 26 shield?

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On May 16 1940 a Heinkel 111 H-3 marked 1H+DN made a forced landing at Sitasjavvre in Northwest Sweden. The plane did carry a KG 26 shield, and it appears light in colour.
This being a machine from 5. Staffel wouldn't it be natural that the shield was red? Or did KG 26 carry just the one colour on their Shield, and was this colour then white or yellow?
Edit: Or was the shield the same colour, white/yellow and then there was an outline signifying the Staffel or Gruppe?

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Old 1st January 2006, 14:23
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Re: Colour of KG 26 shield?

The II. Gruppe shield was white with a red lion. The outline was probably red too.
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Old 1st January 2006, 16:54
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Re: Colour of KG 26 shield?

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The II. Gruppe shield was white with a red lion. The outline was probably red too.
The shield of KG 26 "Vestigium Leonis" was
- white with black lion for the I. group
- yellow with black lion for the II. group
- red with black lion for the III. group.
The letter "D" of your 1H+DN must have been red, the shield yellow.
Maybe the He 111 had red spinners too.
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Old 1st January 2006, 18:35
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Re: Colour of KG 26 shield?

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The shield of KG 26 "Vestigium Leonis" was
- white with black lion for the I. group
- yellow with black lion for the II. group
- red with black lion for the III. group.
The letter "D" of your 1H+DN must have been red, the shield yellow.
Maybe the He 111 had red spinners too.
It seems you got this nailed pretty accurately so I'm going to trust your information over Primoz' over. Coincidentaly it also fits in with the decals for the shield that comes with one of the Hasegawa model kit issues (Though the model kit companies can rarely be trusted). Also of note is that the yellow shield has a red outline, something that can perhaps be either for II gruppe or 5. staffel.
It does seem strange they've changed the colour sequence for the II and III Gruppe, while normally they'd be red for II and yellow for III gruppe.

One thing I am not entirely convinced about is the individual letter, since both black and red was used as 2. and 5. staffel colours. Red was the most common, but I have seen a b/w pictures with what appears to be black lettering on a 5. staffel machine, albeit from 1942.

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Re: Colour of KG 26 shield?

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It does seem strange they've changed the colour sequence for the II and III Gruppe, while normally they'd be red for II and yellow for III gruppe.

One thing I am not entirely convinced about is the individual letter, since both black and red was used as 2. and 5. staffel colours. Red was the most common, but I have seen a b/w pictures with what appears to be black lettering on a 5. staffel machine, albeit from 1942.
You are right, when you have a look at KG 27, 30, 77, II. group had
a red shield, III. group a yellow one.
If they used coloured outlines sometimes, I don't know.
Maybe anybody else can help us here?

I own a photo of a He 111 1H+DN too, it could be the same plane.
The "D" is outlined in white, I think, and the letter in painted in
black or in red. The shield is really light, definitely not red.
Often some units (complete groups, "Staffeln" or "Ketten") painted
their individual letters also in black, so it's not unusual that you can
see photos with complete black codes.
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Re: Colour of KG 26 shield?

Hi,
Another possibility could be a staffel change, I'm sure that an aircraft wouldn't be held back from operations just because the painters hadn't caught up with everything. There are plenty of examples of lost or damaged aircraft bearing partial or full markings for another Staffel or even Geschwader.
Could this be a possibility in this case?
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