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29 may 1944, 15 AF raid to Austria - need help.
Hi gents!
Looks like a huge massacre happened. As for my sourses say: 829 B-17 and B-24 flew to attack targets in Wollesdorf, Wiener Neustadt & Atzgersdorf, Austria, and Poderica in Yugoslavia. USAAF lost 23 aircrafts (how many bombers & fighters from this - I dont know). Fighters (P-51 and P-38) claimed 60+ enemy aircrafts shot down (again, is direct quantity known?). Bf 109G-6 pilots from JG 3 claimed 2 B-24. Bf 109G-6 pilots from JG 27 claimed 10 B-24 & 3 P-51. Bf 109G-6 pilots from JG 302 claimed 3 B-24 Bf110G-2 pilots from II./ZG 1 claimed 6 B-24 & 3 P-51. Total: 21 B-24 & 6 P-51. I dont know the Bf109 losses, but II./ZG1 lost 10 Bf110G-2 (most of them - crew KiA) and not less than 3 - damaged, with injured crew. So: What P-51 and P-38 squadrons/groups participated in this raid to escort? How many Me-110 were claimed by fighter pilots, and how many - by B-17/B-24 gunners?
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Re: 29 may 1944, 15 AF raid to Austria - need help.
The 1st, 31st, 52nd and 82nd FG of 15th Air Force claimed a total of 36 victories on 29 May 1944. No idea about the bomber gunners.
Known Bf 110 claims: Capt Samuel J Brown, 307th FS/31st FG: 2 Bf 110 1st Lt Murray D McLaughlin, 309th FS/31st FG: 1 Bf 110 2nd Lt Robert B Dustrube, 309th FS/31st FG: 1 Bf 110 |
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Re: 29 may 1944, 15 AF raid to Austria - need help.
Thxnkl You very much!
There appears more queries: How many fighters flew as escort? What aircraft 31 FG flew - P-51? What actual losses they had? Only 31FG had Me110 claims? So, is that mean that only 4 Bf110 were s/d by fighters, and other 6 - by bomber gunners? Also, + 3 damaged aircrafts...
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Re: 29 may 1944, 15 AF raid to Austria - need help.
Just quick answer before going to work. The four claims above are the Bf 110 claims I know but I had only details of half of the 36 claims...
Sorry for the confusion... |
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Re: 29 may 1944, 15 AF raid to Austria - need help.
HI,
According to JG 301/302 book by Reschke,171 fighters made escort flights for 563 bombers (so rest of 829 bombers probably attack targets in Yugoslavia). I/JG 302 claimed also four B-24 HSS victories and suffered one loss - Bf 109G-6 "red 25" Wk Nr 412400, Uffz Roland Bever, 2./JG 302 KIA. According to "Air War Europa" by Eric Hammel: Austria: 15 USAAF heavy bombers attack various targets around Wienner-Neustadt: 104 B-24 attack the Bf-109 assembly plant, totally demolishing all that survived previous attack, and 126 B-24 attack the Bf 109 components factory at Atzgersdorf. Also 300 B-17 and B-24s cause heavy damage at the Wellersdorf Airdrome, but 150 German Air Force fighters attack the bombers , downing five heavy bombers . In all, 18 heavy bombers are lost. In the very heavy fighters engagements attending the bombings attack 31st and 52nd fighter group P-51 pilots down 31 bf 109 and Bf 110, and P-38 escort pilots are credited with two Bf 110 and a Ju 87. Also 4th FS of 52nd FG claimed 6 Bf 110, 3 Bf 109 and 2 Bf 110 probably. |
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Re: 29 may 1944, 15 AF raid to Austria - need help.
THX gents!
And P-51 / P-38's losses? Also, if possible, I'll be very pleased to got a list for Me110 claims of USAAF pilots. Name, regiment, time and area...
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Re: 29 may 1944, 15 AF raid to Austria - need help.
Pilots of 4th FS/52nd FG claimed 8 Bf 110 as destroyed, 4 as probable and one as damaged. Claims were:
Lt. Hanes 3 kills Lt Gross 3 kills and one shared probable (with Lt. Larson) Capt. Tyler 1 kill and one probable Lt. Smith 1 kill Lt. Tribbett 1 probable Lt McCauley 1 probable Lt. Deckman 1 damaged Lt. Gross was shot down and baled out near Kirchberg. |
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Re: 29 may 1944, 15 AF raid to Austria - need help.
Thanks Csaba!
But what directly Kirchberg it was ? Kirchberg am Wagram, a town in Lower Austria Kirchberg am Wechsel, a town in Lower Austria Kirchberg an der Raab, a town in Styria Kirchberg bei Mattighofen, a town in the district of Braunau, Upper Austria Kirchberg in Tirol, a town in the Kitzbühel district Kirchberg ob der Donau, a town in Upper Austria What Fighter and Bomber Groups flew to Austria on this day? 9 P-51 is listed as lost: 3 from 31 FG 4 from 359 FG 1 from 4 FG 1 from 52 FG 22 B-17 is listed as lost: 1 from 100 BG 2 from 301 BG 3 from 305 BG 1 from 384 BG 1 from 388 BG 2 from 390 BG 1 from 447 BG 3 from 452 BG 1 from 91 BG 2 from 92 BG 4 from 95 BG 1 from 97 BG 36 B-24 is listed as lost: 2 from 98 BG 1 from 801 BG 3 from 492 BG 2 from 487 BG 2 from 485 BG 2 from 484 BG 1 from 467 BG 1 from 466 BG 1 from 465 BG 5 from 464 BG 2 from 449 BG 1 from 445 BG 2 from 44 BG 4 from 392 BG 1 from 389 BG 2 from 376 BG 3 from 34 BG 1 from 11 BG.
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Re: 29 may 1944, 15 AF raid to Austria - need help.
Hello here you can find some bomber group action reports for 29 May 1944:
http://www.norfield-publishing.com/4...44/29may44.htm http://www.450thbg.com/real/s2/1944/may.shtml#Top http://www.461st.org/Missions/May1944.htm For the details of the fighter losses, you can go there: http://www.geocities.com/raf_112_sqd...21943_mto.html Despite the title, it covers losses between 1941 and 1945 for the USAAF groups based in MTO. Regards Laurent |
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Re: 29 may 1944, 15 AF raid to Austria - need help.
Aha, thx Laurent!
31 FG, P-51: Brooks, James L, 307FS, 31FG, Claims 1 victory Brown, Samuel Jesse, 307FS, 31FG, Claims 3 victories (including 1 Me-110) Daniel, William A, 307FS, 31FG, Claims 2 victories Dorris, Henry W, 308FS, 31FG, Claims 3.25 victories Goebel, Robert J, 308FS, 31FG, Claims 1 victory Greene, Claude E, 308FS, 31FG, Claims 1 victory Jacobs, James A, 308FS, 31FG, Claims 2 victories McKean, John A, 308FS, 31FG, Claims 0.25 victory McLaughlin, Murray D, 309FS, 31FG, Claims 2 victories (including 1 Me-110) Dustrude, Robert B, 309FS, 31FG, Claims 1 victory (Me-110) Thompson, Robert D, 309FS, 31FG, Claims 0.25 victory Lost 2 P-51: №42-106538, 307FS, Howell, Thomas H Jr - KiA, in area of Wallersdorf, Germany. №42-103424, 308FS, Mansberger, Ralph - KiA, Plane coded WZ_I. Crashed in area of Winner Neustadt in lower Austria. №42-106497, 309FS, Leicht, Harold J (Not confirmed), Location, Mi. So. Ille De Porquerolles 4th FS claims were listed by Csaba. So, only 2 FG claimed victoryes?
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