OBD Memorial VVS losses database. - Luftwaffe and Allied Air Forces Discussion Forum

Evgeny Velichko · #1 21st October 2009, 21:48

yogybär · #2 21st October 2009, 22:29

Thank you, Evgeny! Very interesting!

I wish this thread could be made "sticky"...

Adriano Baumgartner · #3 15th December 2009, 11:33

EVGENY,
It is the first time I ever see such a thing...a Russian ORB! Thanks indeed for sharing this information with others.
However, I must NOT be the only one to be curious to know just one thing: We can see there are 16 columns. Although most of us ( me included on this batch ) DO NOT understand Russian, we can have an idea of the meaning:
Column 3: Take off time
Column 6: Names of pilots
Column 7: DATE 25/6/41 - for example
HOWEVER, if you are Russian, COULD YOU give us a hand ONLY to understand what are the meanings of the other columns? It would be a START to try to get the information we are looking for: losses and claims, and try to match with LW records.
MANY thanks indeed for sharing this.
All the best on your researches about SKG 210!
Yours
Adriano Baumgartner

Evgeny Velichko · #4 15th December 2009, 11:42

Adriano - I'll try to do the best.

THX

Evgeny Velichko · #5 15th December 2009, 11:58

Фамилия, Имя, Отчество (or Ф.И.О.) - Last Name, First name, Second name

Воинское звание - Military Rank

Должность и специальность - Duty and specialisation

Партийность - Communist Party Membership (if yes - from what daty)

Место и год рождения - place and date of birth

Каким РВК (Районный Военный Комиссариат) из какой области призван - Where he entered army service, from what region and district.

Когда и по какой причине выбыл - When he dismisses, and the reason of it.

For example:
http://www.obd-memorial.ru/221/Memor...7/00000005.jpg

Quote:

Сгорел над целью в районе Завялы - Смоленская обл. 23.6.44

Burned over the target in area of Zavyaly, Smolensk reg., on 23.6.44

Quote:

--//--

Same

Quote:

23.6.44 не возвр. (возвратился) с боевого задания

On 23.6.44 did not return from combat mission

Quote:

2.7.44 погиб над целью

2.7.44 died (killed) over target

Quote:

5.7.44 сбит над целью

5.7.44 shot down over target

Где похоронен - Where buried

Имя, отчество, фамилия, адрес жены или родителей - Name and adress of wife or parents.

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Hope it helps

Adriano Baumgartner · #6 16th December 2009, 02:40

EVGENY,
That was very kind of yours to translate the main headlines and tittles. That will help us a lot, since most of the text is hand-written. We can ( most of us ) at least have a good insight of what is being described.
I remember when I asked a Brazilian born to translate some letters and Combat missions from former Luftwaffe pilots I had communicate with...the same problem: it was OLD German...and most of people did not understand!
I am very glad and thankful towards you...A lot of new information and a new world of perspectives in cross-checking LW claims and losses over the Eastern Front.
May you have a nice week Evgeny...and if you ever come to Brazil, please let me know...lot of waterfalls nearby, really lovelly.
Yours
Adriano Baumgartner

Nikita Egorov · #7 16th December 2009, 09:29

Adriano,

This base is no good instrument for matching losses to LW records, since it contains mostly irretrievable losses of crews. The info given is not enabling to draw any conclusions.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adriano Baumgartner

EVGENY,
That was very kind of yours to translate the main headlines and tittles. That will help us a lot, since most of the text is hand-written. We can ( most of us ) at least have a good insight of what is being described.
I remember when I asked a Brazilian born to translate some letters and Combat missions from former Luftwaffe pilots I had communicate with...the same problem: it was OLD German...and most of people did not understand!
I am very glad and thankful towards you...A lot of new information and a new world of perspectives in cross-checking LW claims and losses over the Eastern Front.
May you have a nice week Evgeny...and if you ever come to Brazil, please let me know...lot of waterfalls nearby, really lovelly.
Yours
Adriano Baumgartner

308_MiGol · #8 23rd December 2009, 23:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evgeny Velichko

OBD Memorial (United Data Base “Memorial”) now have a scans from original archive documents of VVS, mainly “Lists of personnel losses”.

I think it is worth to post a thread here, as it will have some use.

(...)

List of regiments are in progressive work, each week there appeared more and more regiments. For example, Fleet aviation (Northern and Baltic) already done.

Hello,

Latest I often use the OBD "Memorial". Thanks to this GREAT database and informations from our witnesses we were able to determine the names of soviet airmen and date of kills of soviet planes over Silesia (near Cieszyn), southern Poland, in 1945: one Il-2 Sturmovik from the 996th ShAP, 224th ShAD, 8th ShАK, 8th VA and one A-20 Boston from the 242nd BAP 321st BAD, 8th VA.
More (in Russian) in topic "Поиск советских самолетов сбитых в 1945 году над Цешинской Силезей (Южная Польша)"
http://forums.airforce.ru/showthread...0547#post50547

So, I have one question for Mr. Evgeny Velichko: when on the "Memorial" will be the next units of 8-я Боздушная Армия BBC СССР (4-й Украинский фронт)???
Is it only 227th ShAD?
http://www.obd-memorial.ru/221/Memor...8/00000000.jpg
Impatiently waiting for: 224th ShAD, 321st BAD, 10th and 15th GIAD and 100th OKRAP, 8th ORAP...

Best regards
Grzegorz = Gregory = Григорий (but no Шакашвили :-)

308_MiGol · #9 1st March 2010, 20:13

Nothing new in this topic?
It is a pity!

konev2010 · #10 29th June 2010, 16:27

Did you want a list of the VVS and ADD Aviation Regiments that were in the Operational Army during the war?
I don't have the Aviation Regiments in the PVO nor the Aviation Squadrons or Flights done yet.

That might help with the search of the Regiments.

Can you also type up the worksheets also (Cyrillic is fine). My written Cyrillic is extremely poor.

konev2010

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