JU87 Losses 31 Oct 1942, MTO, Need Help

[Tundra]

I do not have Luftwaffe source books can someone help me with Ju 87 losses in MTO for that day?

Thanks

[Brian]

Hi Tundra

According to Chris Shores' Fighters over the Desert, at least three were damage/lost in combat: One pilot of III/StG3 was killed; one pilot wounded; and one pilot of I/StG3 killed by flak. Possibly this information is now out of date and someone may have additional details.

Happy Christmas

Brian

[Tundra]

Thanks Brian its a start to a subject hard for me to find information on.

[Jim P.]

I only have one for that day: Ju 87D-3/Trop, 2719, Born, Ofw. Erich (Bf), , III., St.G. 3, , , , , 31-Oct-42, KIA due to Luftkampf with enemy fighters., , Afrika, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #7)-Vol.12, , SW Sidi el Reman, 60%, F

However there are several for 1.Nov.:

Ju 87D-1/Trop, 2583, Satzenhofer, Uffz. (F)/Schmidt, Gefr. (Bf), , 7., St.G. 3, wei§ F, S7+FR, , , 01-Nov-42, Both MIA due to enemy fighters., , Afrika, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #7)-Vol.12, , , 100%, F

Ju 87D-3/Trop, 2636, Krieger, Uffz. Johann (F)/Riegel, Uffz. Gustav (Bf), , 3., St.G. 3, gelb N, S7+NL, , , 01-Nov-42, Reported lost due to enemy fighters. Pilot returned WIA, Bf KIA., , Afrika, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #8)-Vol.13, , (SW of El Alamein), 100%, F

Ju 87D-1/Trop, 2396, Eckhardt, Uffz. Otto (F)/Wagner, Uffz. Herbert (Bf), , 8., St.G. 3, rot KS, S7+KS, , M+O under port wing, 01-Nov-42, Crew WIA & POW due to Allied fighters. 'Fliegerdenkmal'., , Afrika, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #7)-Vol.12; Bateson, R.P. Stuka! p49 foto, , , 100%, F

Ju 87D-1/Trop, 2074, Unterrainer, Oblt. Walter (F)/Otto, Fw. Heinz (Bf), , 1., St.G. 3, wei§ L, S7+LH, , , 01-Nov-42, KIA due to enemy fighters. Bf MIA., , Afrika, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #8)-Vol.13, , (SW of Marsa-Matruk), 100%, F

[Jim P.]

Don't know where they came from but the 'happy faces' should be 8s.

[Tundra]

Thanks Jim;

In the past i have noticed that sometimes the Luftwaffe records where a day off, not sure why.
Your information is a great help Thanls.

Rob

[Brian]

Hi Tundra

I think these were two different actions. It seems that 112 and 3RAAF claimed three Ju87s and three probables on 31 October, while 112 claimed a further seven Ju7s and seven probables on 1 November. Therefore, it is possible that three Ju87s were either shot down or badly damaged with crew members wounded on 31st, and at least four shot down on 1st, as noted by Jim.

Happy Boxing Day!

Brian