crashed Ju188 D2 in Poland - help - Luftwaffe and Allied Air Forces Discussion Forum

Andyf · #1 19th November 2005, 19:38

Hi all!

I would like to find more info (unit, crew, base, flight destination) about crashed JU-188 in Poland
It was Junkers 188 D2 recon version with radar and photo equipment (production at 9 October 1944, nr 150250)

probably flying from airport Kirkenes (Norway) to Italy, landed on frozen lake Mamry in Poland
in January 1945, becasue of broken engine. AFAIK crew survived. Plane was recovered from water in 1961 and sent to ironworks as scrap-metal ;((((

Could someone help me?

Cheers
Andrzej

edNorth · #2 19th November 2005, 23:54

Hi;

This is all I have.
This is the same, right?
..... Ju 188 (mfd 10.1944) Luftwaffe
Force landed into Mamry-Lake, Masuren, Poland, January 1945 - Salvaged in 1961 and scrapped! [Photos: see Jet & Prop 01/2002]

cheers
ed

Andyf · #3 20th November 2005, 16:28

Hi Ed!

Thx for support!
Any info about martkings and unit?
Cheers
Andrzej

Andyf · #4 20th November 2005, 16:36

Hi Ed!

Some photos:
http://www.pg.gda.pl/org/rekin/Photo...skanuj0003.jpg
http://www.pg.gda.pl/org/rekin/Photo...mg_0173abc.jpg
http://www.pg.gda.pl/org/rekin/Photo...skanuj0006.jpg
Cheers
Andrzej

edNorth · #5 20th November 2005, 21:56

Hello;

Thanks for posting the photos. They are great.
Yes this looks like the same one. I am not at home now and do not have the magazine. I can probably get it in a few days but some one else might help also. However the photos and article in Jet&Prop 01/2002 are, if I remember correctly, cuttings out of an (Polish) newspaper/magzine! And are of worse quality, compared to those abowe.

The number on the ´Conversion Reference´ (sic) plate (´Aenderungstufe 8 ..´) is 150520 but corresponds well to the of delivery other Siebel mounted Ju 188 D-2´s (Recce; Jumo 213 engines) to the Luftwaffe around that time (9.10.1944). No loss in my lists seems to fit to this one (hence I had no number at first). Perhaps someone else might have the answer.

I can but speculate to the unit, but if it had come from Kirkenes it could have been ex- 1.(F)/124, ex-III/KG 26 (unlikely), ex-1.(F)120 or something like that... and perhaps going to (F)/122 in Italy?

cheers
ed

Andyf · #6 21st November 2005, 12:00

edNorth · #7 21st November 2005, 19:55

Hello Andyf;

THANK YOU TOO. To have so many photos of a single plane to study is truly great. This machine appears in Normal Camouflage on upper side (70/71 or 72/73 Greens), Light Blue (65) under. No Wellenmuster is seen and no Stkz. or Vkz. codes but they are obscured by growth after spending 16 years in the water. This plane should have gone to a musem, but few people at the time were thinking of preserving, and no complete Ju 188 example survives (excluding the ex-Ju 188, alias Ju 388 in the USA).

cheers
ed

edNorth · #8 21st November 2005, 22:03

One more thing. There appears no coloured fuselage band. One side letter is possibly x5+xx, x6+xx (large letter) but there might be one small letter in front of the cross (it that is the cross) as x6+xx. Code then possibly F6+xx or A6+xx ?

cheers
ed

Andyf · #9 23rd November 2005, 09:41

Hi Ed!

Thx again for help!

Unfortunately fuselage was in mussels and fischer's nets. I am still searching...

BTW plane was equipped with 2 Zeiss cameras - I will get photos of them soon

Cheers
Andrzej

Andyf · #10 25th November 2005, 19:04

From other forum some hints

Quote:

As you know, the Junkers Ju 188 D-2 was a reconnaissance variant of the Ju 188 A-2 and equipped with two 1,750 hp Jumo 213A-1 in-line engines, driving VS-111 paddle blade propellers. Maximum speed was ca. 323 mph. The D-2 often had the nose MG 151 cannon deleted. Cameras were mounted in the rear fuselage underside and normally two ETC bomb racks were retained for carrying drop tanks. Usually, optional fuel tanks were installed in the bomb bay, giving the Ju 188 D-2 a maximum range of up to 2,110 miles.
Intended for anti-shipping reconnaissance, the Ju 188 D-2 had a provision for carrying a FuG 200 “Hohentwiel” search radar.
The Ju 188 seldom equipped entire units, rather they were distributed, as needed, to specialized Staffeln or Gruppen within Ju 88 units (and also some Ju 188 were used in non-Ju 88 units for particular missions). Ju 188 D were known to have served with Aufklärungs- gruppen 11, 14, 22, 33, 100, 120, 121, 122, 123 and 124. They served also as partial equipment with Nachtaufklärungsstaffel 2 and 4 (night reconnaissance) and with Wekusta 51 (weather reconnaissance).
I keep a photo of a Ju 188 D-2 from Aufkl.Gr.(F) 124, photographed at Kirkenes, Norway, in 1945. Ju 188 were operated from the 1.Staffel/Aufkl.Gr.(F) 124. The unit used the code G2 for the Gruppe and H for the 1.Staffel. The third (individual) letter was white or outlined in white. Sadly, there is no code visible on the wreckage. The plate bears the inscription AENDERUNGSTUFE (this means some changings in the equipment after the plane was built or delivered).
AG Luftkriegsgeschichte Rhein/Mosel e.V.

Any comments?
Cheers
Andrzej

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