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Old 25th November 2020, 19:00
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the victory claims of Spanish Republican pilots in VVS

Good Morning to all
Having a bit of frustration ,trying to find information of the claims made by the Former Spanish Republican pilots that flew in the VVS from 1942 to 1945, even the book AVIADORES ESPANOLES EN LA URSS 1936-1948 by Rafael de Madariaga publish by Galland Books fail to list their claims while in the service in the VVS. The Author went to Russia and did his research there, but no listing just some mentions but incomplete.

And even books on Russian aces fail to mention o put to little about them.
There are some pilots I am trying to locate information

Jose Maria Pascual Santamaria reported 14 Kills KIA Stalingrad
Vicente Beltran Rodrigo reported 20 kills
Domingo Bonilla Domingo reported 8-9 kills
Juan Lario Sanchez reported 27+8 shared kils
Francisco Merono Pellicer reported 7 kills WIA

On Lario a number of arcticles and books mention his final score but no listing of his claims, so I wonder does anybody how to gain information in Russia on the units these pilot flew in.

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Old 25th November 2020, 21:06
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Re: the victory claims of Spanish Republican pilots in VVS

Hello,
there are acquaintances among the descendants of the Republicans, I ask. There was an article about the "Spaniards in VVS" http://allaces.ru/sssr/publ/06.php
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Old 25th November 2020, 21:34
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Re: the victory claims of Spanish Republican pilots in VVS

Lt. Pascual Jose Santamaria had 3 personal and two shared (in pair) victories. Scored in 788 IAP PVO between August 16 and August 27, 1942.
He failed to return from combat sortie on August 27, 1942.
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Old 26th November 2020, 17:42
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Re: the victory claims of Spanish Republican pilots in VVS

article by Mikhail Bykov on this topic: https://warspot.ru/1199-ispanskaya-grust
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Old 26th November 2020, 19:53
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Re: the victory claims of Spanish Republican pilots in VVS

More Spanish pilots flew IL-2m3 Sturmoviks in the 17 VA, claiming several ground kills during their multiple daily missions.

1.,
17 VA, 136 ShAD, 989 ShAP, 2nd Sq., Lt. Celestino Martínez Fierros (№19353) claimed:

August 20, 1944: 3 vehicles destroyed
August 22, 1944: 11 vehicle destroyed
August 25, 1944: 11 vehicles destroyed

He was shot down by flak on March 9, 1945 in his IL-2m3, S/N: 10586, white '19' near Káloz, Hungary and was KIA. (Gunner: Vasilii Kuzmich Velmezov, KIA)

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17 VA, 136 ShAD, 989 ShAP, Lt. Leoncio Velasco Hernans (№19372) claimed:

March 9, 1945: 2 tanks, 5 vehicles, 2 flak batteries destroyed
March 11, 1945: 3 tanks, 4 vehicles, 1 artillery battery destroyed

He crashlanded on Kiskunlacháza airfield in Hungary due to flak damages on March 8, 1945 in his IL-2 S/N: 11467, white '38'. On March 14, 1945 his new plane (white '26') was also damaged by flak.

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Old 27th November 2020, 04:53
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Re: the victory claims of Spanish Republican pilots in VVS

Hello HGabor

So no aerial claims for Celestino Martinez Fierro just ground kills ,because Rafael de Madariaga book claims he had several claims to his credit with out giving detail, that another thing I hit during this research.

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Old 27th November 2020, 13:19
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Re: the victory claims of Spanish Republican pilots in VVS

I am not saying that. I just know about these specific ground kills for him, that's all. But as being a Po-2 (U-2), later IL-2m3 Sturmovik pilot, it was more common to score ground kills rather than aerial victories. Simply because of the AC model, and task.

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Old 27th November 2020, 19:24
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Re: the victory claims of Spanish Republican pilots in VVS

Good Morning HGabor
Okay no problem but if due find some let me know. thank you
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