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Ju 87 losses
Hello,
I am looking for details on a Ju 87 losses (Hptm. Wilfried Herling and Lt. Hans Krumminga) of SG.2 "Immelmann" in combat on 28.11.1943 over Air Base Bol. Kostromka (Ukrain). Thanks Oleg 
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Re: Ju 87 losses
Hello Oleg,
in the GenQu. loss reports from December 24, 1943 are listed: 28.11. 7./Schl.G. 2 Feindflug BolschajaKostromka von abstürzendem Flugzeug in der Luft gerammt, Aufschlagbrand Ju 87 D5 13093 100% F Oblt Wilfried Herling (Staffelkapitän) tot Bf Uffz Heinz Ludwig tot 28.11. III./Schl.G. 2 Feindflug BolschajaKostromka vermutlich eigener Flakbeschuß Ju 87 D5 13971 100% F Lt Hans Krumminga tot Bf Uffz Heinz Platzeck tot. Regards Leo 
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Re: Ju 87 losses
Hello Leo!
Many thanks for very interesting information! Regards, Oleg 
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Re: Ju 87 losses
Note that the WNr. listed by Rottler are incomplete. They should be 6digit WNr., rather than the 5digits reported. WNr. 13971 is most likely WNr. 130971. The other WNr. 13093 is more problematic. Losses for Stukas in the 1310xx/1311xx series started showing up in late 1943, but it could also be 13093x  with the missing digit in either of the last four positions.
Both these guys were RK recipients. It would be cool to be able to get a complete documented WNr., and of course the 'T6+_R' code, for one or both of them. Last edited by Jim P.; 26th July 2017 at 02:02. Reason: update 
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Re: Ju 87 losses
My suggestion to 13093 is 130953, because 130955 and 130958 were also used by Schl.G 2. Several of 13093X were used by Schl.G 1. Its code was T6+BR.
13971 was T6+CD. Matti 
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Re: Ju 87 losses
Many thanks Jim and Matti!
Regards, Oleg 
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Re: Ju 87 losses
Did any fivedigit WNr exist in the first place?
Cheers Stig 
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Re: Ju 87 losses
I have 3040 losses for Stukas that begin 31xxx. These range from 31031 to 31712, and are scattered through dates from May43 through early45. The earliest of these losses would appear to occur too early for 131xxx WNr. while the later losses may or may not be missing the leading '1'. There are a very few other 5digit losses starting with a '1' or a '2' but these appear to be due to typing errors.
The preceding statement is based on observation of Ju 87 losses only. I've never seen anything with any detail on Ju 87 production WNr. blocks. 
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Re: Ju 87 losses
Thanks Jim
I find the WNr of the Ju 87 D very puzzling. No book I can think of has tried to tackle them properly. I guess no one here wants to do it either, so.... Cheers Stig 
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Re: Ju 87 losses
This is what I have from the WWW if its correct ?
Junkers Ju87 V1 to V11 WNr.4921 to WNr.4929 Junkers Ju87 A0 WNr.087 0001 to WNr.087 0011 JFM Bernburg 11 Junkers Ju87 A1 WNr.087 0012 to WNr.087 0156 incl. two K1s for Japan 145 Junkers Ju87 A2 WNr.087 0157 to WNr.087 0183 27 Junkers Ju87 B0 WNr.087 0184 to WNr.087 0193 10 Junkers Ju87 B1 WNr.087 0194 to WNr.087 0293 100 Junkers Ju87 B1 WNr.087 0294 to WNr.087 0459 165 given as A2 Junkers Ju87 B2 C1 WNr.087 0460 to WNr.087 0580 05690573 C1 intended for carrier purposes 121 Junkers Ju87 C1 WNr.087 0581 to WNr.087 0750 170 not built Junkers Ju87 A1 WNr.087 5000 to WNr.087 5069 Weser Flugzeugbau in Bremen Lemwerder 70 Junkers Ju87 B1 WNr.087 5070 to WNr.087 5426 Weser Flugzeugbau in Bremen Lemwerder 357 Junkers Ju87 R1 WNr.087 5427 to WNr.087 5490 Weser Flugzeugbau in Bremen Lemwerder 65 Junkers Ju87 B1 WNr.087 5491 to WNr.087 5529 Weser Flugzeugbau in Bremen Lemwerder 40 Junkers Ju87 R1 WNr.087 5530 to WNr.087 5555 Weser Flugzeugbau in Bremen Lemwerder 25 Junkers Ju87 B1 WNr.087 5556 to WNr.087 5561 Weser Flugzeugbau in Bremen Lemwerder 5 Junkers Ju87 B2 WNr.087 5562 to WNr.087 5661 Weser Flugzeugbau in Bremen Lemwerder 100 Junkers Ju87 R2 WNr.087 5662 to WNr.087 5710 Weser Flugzeugbau in Bremen Lemwerder 50 Junkers Ju87 B2 WNr.087 5711 to WNr.087 5761 Weser Flugzeugbau in Bremen Lemwerder 50 Junkers Ju87 R2 WNr.087 5762 to WNr.087 5799 Weser Flugzeugbau in Bremen Lemwerder 40 Junkers Ju87 B2 WNr.087 5800 to WNr.087 5830 Weser Flugzeugbau in Bremen Lemwerder 30 Junkers Ju87 R2 WNr.087 5831 to WNr.087 6200 Weser Flugzeugbau in Bremen Lemwerder 370 Junkers Ju87 R4 WNr.087 6201 to WNr.087 6346 Weser Flugzeugbau in Bremen Lemwerder 145 Junkers Ju87 D1 WNr.2000 to WNr.2100 Junkers Ju87 D1 WNr.2200 to WNr.2300 Junkers Ju87 D1 WNr.2400 to WNr.2500 Junkers Ju87 D1 WNr.2600 to Junkers Ju87 D3 WNr.2700 to WNr.2800 Junkers Ju87 D3 WNr.2900 Junkers Ju87 D3 WNr.1000 to WNr.1100 series are the same as the 5 digit 31000 series Junkers Ju87 D3 WNr.100 000 to WNr.110 000 Junkers Ju87 D3 WNr.13.0000 to Junkers Ju87 D3 WNr.13.1000 to Junkers Ju87 D3 WNr.13.2000 to Junkers Ju87 D3 WNr.31000 to WNr.31100 series are the same as the 4 digit 1000 series Junkers Ju87 D5 WNr.140 000 to Junkers Ju87 D5 WNr.141 000 to Junkers Ju87 D5 WNr.142 000 to Junkers Ju87 D3 to G1 Ju87D3 (with MG17 and old wings) were converted to Ju87G1 Junkers Ju87 D3 to G2 Ju87D5 (with MG151 and new wide wings)  to Ju87G2 Junkers Ju87 D5/D6 WNr.430004 to WNr.430247 Junkers Ju87 G2 WNr.4901.. to WFG Lemwerder 194404 to 194407 Converted from D3 Junkers Ju87 G2 WNr.4942.. to WFG Lemwerder 194404 to 194407 Converted from D3 Junkers Ju87 G2 Weser 208 RLM aircraft production programms nr. 226 and 227 of 15.7.44 and 1.12.44 Junkers Ju87 WNr.494257 
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