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Old 10th May 2010, 02:48
Adriano Baumgartner Adriano Baumgartner is offline
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Uffz. Hans Paubel 11./NJG 1 - KIA 12/13 December 1944

Good night to all!
I am seeking more details of this pilot and his crew ( names ) AND details of the Bf 110 G-4´s werknummer as well codes G9+ ?????.
This machine was shot down on the night of 12/13 December 1944 by an 85 Squadron´s Mosquito.
Any information about the background of the crew and pilot would be welcomed too.
Yours and thanks in advance
Adriano
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Old 10th May 2010, 09:05
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Re: Uffz. Hans Paubel 11./NJG 1 - KIA 12/13 December 1944

Hello Adriano ,

perhaps this cab help a little bit :

Uffz Paubel Hans , born january 5 1923 at Suhl , buried Düsseldorf Nordfriedhof field 112 row P grave nr 112.

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Old 10th May 2010, 22:05
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Re: Uffz. Hans Paubel 11./NJG 1 - KIA 12/13 December 1944

Hi Adriano

Balss says it was Wnr 160138 code G9+SY and that it collided with another Bf 110 when landing at Dusseldorf.

However this "other" Bf 110 is not identified....

I presume you refer to one of F/Lt Hedgecoe's or S/Ldr Burbridge's victory claims, but why do you link this loss to any of those claims? The Luftwaffe night fighters lost five other fighters that night that seems to fit far better the five claims in all made by the intruders from Britain.

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Old 10th May 2010, 22:42
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Re: Uffz. Hans Paubel 11./NJG 1 - KIA 12/13 December 1944

Hello STIG...
YES, I am trying to cross-check the losses versus the RAF claims for that night indeed.
What I do have:
W/C Beauchamp, DSO, DFC ( OC 157 Squadron ) claimed one BF 110 damaged SE of Ruhr ( over Aschaffenburg ).
F/L Hedgecoe ( 85 Squadron ) claimed two Bf 110 - probably one from 11./NJG 1 and one from 9./NJG 1
F/L Burbridge ( 85 Squadron ) claimed one Ju 88 G-1 near Gutersloh from 6./NJG 4 and one Bf 110.
I tracked down the TWO NJG 1 losses ( Bf 110 ) for that night. Do you happen to know OTHER Bf 110 losses for that night which could fill the gaps?
THANKS indeed for your help.
Adriano
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Old 11th May 2010, 01:45
Laurent Rizzotti Laurent Rizzotti is offline
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Re: Uffz. Hans Paubel 11./NJG 1 - KIA 12/13 December 1944

Here is the losses listed by Balss for 12-13/Dec/1944:

Bf 110 G-4 440155 of 9./NJG 1 shot down at Dorsten by enemy nightfighter (2 WIA, 1 KIA)
Bf 110 G-4 160604 of 9./NJG 1 shot down at Kaiserwerth by enemy nightfighter (2 WIA)
Bf 110 G-4 160133 of 11./NJG 1 overturned on landing at Werl (1 WIFA)
Bf 110 G-4 160138 of 11./NJG 1 collided with another Bf 110 on landing at Düsseldorf (1 KIFA)

Ju 88 G-1 714110 of 4./NJG 4 crashed near Gütersloh after an air battle (3 WIA, all bailed out)
Ju 88 G-1 714160 of 4./NJG 4 hit by enemy fire at Fassbühl (1 WIA)
Ju 88 G-1 714530 of 6./NJG 4 shot down by enemy intruder near Gütersloh airfield (3 KIA)

Bf 110 G-4 180549 of 1./NJG 6 crashed at Marienbad "nach Berühren einer Hochspanningsleitung" (3 KIA)
Bf 110 G-4 480168 of 10./NJG 6 crashed at 2146 hrs at Tattenzoll, near Arnstein, after engine fire, probably due to enemy fire (2 WIA)
Bf 110 G-4 110043 of 11./NJG 6 crashed at 2030 hrs west of Gundersheim, probably hitting the ground after engine failure (3 KIA)

Bf 109 G-6 166455 of 2./NJG 11 crashed at Grünberg after enemy fire, Lt Gustav Mohr bailed out wounded
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Old 11th May 2010, 19:54
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Re: Uffz. Hans Paubel 11./NJG 1 - KIA 12/13 December 1944

Hi Adriano

Laurent has already quoted what Balss says, so it is your choice to see if you can make any sense out of it, relating claims areas with losses. However I still believe that WNr 160138 was not part of the Intruders victories that night and looking in Boiten/MacKenzie's Vol 2 they tend to agree with this. The crew had a complete homing equipment failure and while landing Oblt Kurt Matzak collided with another Bf 110. The two Ju 88 lost at/near Gütersloh are listed as claimed by No 85 Sq.

I have no claims available from Bomber Command that night, so cannot say if any of those listed were the victims of one or more defending gunner(s).

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Old 11th May 2010, 20:05
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Re: Uffz. Hans Paubel 11./NJG 1 - KIA 12/13 December 1944

STIG,
Very kind of yours to comment and put your point of view. I read somewhere that those 9/NJG 1 machines SHOULD/COULD have been attributed to F/L Hedgecoe.

There are two Ju 88 losses near or close to Gutersloh and as far as I know, there is just the claim of F/L Burbridge.

OF course, I will follow your advice while home, with more time to take a careful look at all the places, locations and reports. THANKS for your valuable help and support.

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