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Old 12th February 2017, 13:28
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Re: Did KG 26 hit the cruiser Molotov in 1942?

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Is there an online explanation of the Marine Qu. system to match that available for the Luftwaffe system?
http://submarine-at-war.ru/docs/mari...24&newsquare=1

In the documents related to Marine/Luftwaffe cooperation both Lw and KM Qu. were used, often without explication. Sometimes it cause difficulties.

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Old 13th February 2017, 17:14
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Re: Did KG 26 hit the cruiser Molotov in 1942?

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Thank you very much, Andrey! That is an intriguing website, as is the less well-developed sister website about Soviet airfields, http://airfields-wwii.ru

I have just had an obvious thought, in hindsight. Were there any reports from Soviet aircraft of naval AA fire directed at them? If there were, that would give some support to the proposition that the crew of the Molotov was confused. Conversely, if there were no such reports, it would be more likely that KG 26 did in fact attack the Molotov.

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Old 13th February 2017, 23:22
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Were there any reports from Soviet aircraft of naval AA fire directed at them?
Didn't research the events of 2/3.Aug.43 in details. Fighters claimed a He111 damaged (later was scored as downed) at 07:40+ MSK = 06:40 GST. But at the moment Germans had used bombs, not torpedoes.

It wasn't the missing He111 1T+JH from 4./KG26 because according to Andrew's post #21 Do24 had searched the missing He111 from 06:05 GST. Whether the other German losses are known for 2/3.Aug.42?

Published data about ships AA fire victims are controversial but probably 1 downed and 1 damaged planes were claimed.

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Old 15th February 2017, 00:16
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Re: Did KG 26 hit the cruiser Molotov in 1942?

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Fighters claimed a He111 damaged (later was scored as downed) at 07:40+ MSK = 06:40 GST. But at the moment Germans had used bombs, not torpedoes.

It wasn't the missing He111 1T+JH from 4./KG26 because according to Andrew's post #21 Do24 had searched the missing He111 from 06:05 GST. Whether the other German losses are known for 2/3.Aug.42?
Hello Andrey,

Thank you for another set of intriguing facts! The potential use of bombs raises the possibility, again, that there was no aerial torpedo attack. I do not think there were any other German losses on 2 or 3 August in the area, although I have not read every possible source. Looks like there was some kind of attack at night, during which 1 He 111 was lost, and another attack in the morning with no losses on either side.

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Old 17th February 2017, 15:46
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Re: Did KG 26 hit the cruiser Molotov in 1942?

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The potential use of bombs raises the possibility, again, that there was no aerial torpedo attack.
But the evidence about torpedo attacks by 4 planes at 07:18 MSK is in conflict with this version.

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But the evidence about torpedo attacks by 4 planes at 07:18 MSK is in conflict with this version.
Hello Andrey,

Yes, the situation is very confused. 07:18 MSK was the morning after the Molotov was torpedoed, wasn't it?

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Old 17th February 2017, 18:09
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07:18 MSK was the morning after the Molotov was torpedoed, wasn't it?
Yes, it was unsuccessful morning attack, Molotov was torpedoed some hours earlier.
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