Hptm.Kuekens St.kapitan 3/KG3 loss.

[steve sheridan]

Hi could anybody confirm the date of the following losses.

Do.17Z. 5K+CL W.Nr.3321 Hptm.Kuekens St.Kap. killed with crew following a mid air collision over Ghent, crashed at Ertvelde. I have this as 10.7.40 and 8.9.40?

The other a/c was Do17Z. 5K+GL W.Nr.3426 crew bel.safe.

Any help would be appreciated.
Best regs,
Steve.

[lilsis]

hi,

VDK : Kückens Rolf, Hptm., *24.09.1909 Leipzig, + 08.09.1940 bei Ertfelde,

[srob48]

08.09.1940.
3/KG3.
Dornier Do17Z (3321). Training flight, mid-air collision with Do17 (3426) and crashed at Ertvelde, north of Gent, Belgium. Hptm. Rolf Kückens (Staffelkapitan), Lt. Gottfried Gaumnitz, Fw. Helmut Lehmann killed. Aircraft 5K+CL a write-off.

Dornier Do17Z (3426). Training flight, mid-air collision with Do17 (3321) over Gent, Belgium. Crew unhurt. Aircraft 5K+GL 60% damaged.

[steve sheridan]

Thanks ever so much guys, this clears this one up.

Kindest regs,
Steve.

[steve sheridan]

I wonder by chance if the functions of Lt.Gaumnitz and Lehmann are known from the NVM report?
Best regs,
Steve.

[Matti Salonen]

Hilfsbeobachter Gaumnitz and Bordschütze Lehmann.

Matti

[steve sheridan]

Thanks Matti.
I wonder if you could possibly help with the losses sustained by KG3 on 26.8.40
following the raids on British airfields.

Kindest regs,
Steve.

[Matti Salonen]

This is what I have found:
1940-08-26, 2./KG 3, Do 17 Z-2, 2541, Bei Tirlemont (Tienen), 17 km südöstlich Leuven (Louvain)
Flugzeugführer Lt Wiesniewski, Johann, verletzt
Bombenschütze Gefr Krause, Hermann, +
Bordschütze Ogfr Liedig, Adolf, verletzt
Notlandung infolge Brennstoffmangel. Bruch 80 %.
1940-08-26, 7./KG 3, Do 17 Z, 3329, 5K+GR, Kanal
Flugzeugführer Lt Sachse, Heinz, +
Jägerbeschuß um 13.00 Uhr. Bruch 100 %.
1940-08-26, 7./KG 3, Do 17 Z, 3602, Calais-Marck
Feindbeschuß um 13.00 Uhr. Bruch 70 %.
1940-08-26, 7./KG 3, Do 17 Z
Bordfunker Ogfr Kniesburges, Konrad, verletzt
Bordschütze Gefr Pott, Karl, verletzt
Jägerbeschuß um 13.00 Uhr. Bruch ? %.
1940-08-26, 7./KG 3, Do 17 Z
Bombenschütze Gefr Meyer, August, verletzt
Bordfunker Uffz Henning, Heinz, verletzt
Bordmechaniker Uffz Oerter, Theodor, verletzt
Jägerbeschuß um 13.00 Uhr. Bruch ? %.
1940-08-26, 7./KG 3, Do 17 Z
Bombenschütze Uffz Päßler, Horst, verletzt
Jägerbeschuß um 13.00 Uhr. Bruch ? %.
1940-08-26, 7./KG 3, Do 17 Z-2, 1160, 5K+AR, Goodwin Sands, Kent
Flugzeugführer Fw Effmert, Willi, gefangen
Bombenschütze Uffz Ritzel, Hermann, gefangen
Bordfunker Uffz Reinhardt, Helmut, +
Bordschütze Uffz Huhn, Heinz, +
Notlandung infolge Jägerbeschuß um 13.00. Bruch 100 %.
1940-08-26, 7./KG 3, Do 17 Z-3, 2646, 5K+ER, Foreness Point, Isle of Thanet, Kent
Flugzeugführer Lt Eggert, Karl, gefangen
Bombenschütze Uffz Haupt, Rudolf, gefangen
Bordfunker Ogfr Ramm, Kurt, gefangen
Bordschütze Ogfr Knochenmuß, Walter, +
Notlandung infolge Jägerbeschuß. Bruch 100 %. Eggert am 1940-08-28 seinen Verletzungen erlegen.
1940-08-26, 7./KG 3, Do 17 Z-3, 2822, Saint-Merville
Notlandung um 13.00 Uhr. Bruch 10...60 %.


Corrections will be welcome.



Matti

[Peter Cornwell]

Yes, a particularly difficult set of NVMs to interpret with any confidence. The only differences to your listing I would suggest are as follows:

7./KG3 Dornier Do17Z (3329). Shot down by fighters during sortie to attack Manston 12.20 p.m. FF Lt Heinz Sachse killed, - BF Uffz Heinz Henning, and BM Uffz Theodor Oerter both wounded - admitted to hospital in Hardinghen, HS Gefr Karl Pott slightly wounded. Aircraft 5K+GR 100% write-off.

7./KG3 Dornier Do17Z (3602). Crash-landed at Calais-Marck badly damaged by fighters following attack on Manston 12.20 p.m. BO Uffz Horst Pässler slightly wounded In head and chest, rest of crew unhurt. Aircraft 100% write-off.

7./KG3 Dornier Do17Z-3 (2822). Forced-landed at Merville out of fuel following sortie to attack Manston 12.20 p.m. BO Gefr August Meyer and BF Obergefr Konrad Kniesburges both slightly wounded - admitted to hospital in Lille, rest of crew unhurt. Aircraft damage state not recorded.

[Matti Salonen]

Great, this solves the problem, which has disturbed me for a long time. GQM contained a smaller number of lost aircraft, than my interpretation of NVMs. Sadly, those early war NVMs list only personnel without any connections to individual aircraft. Now everything seems logical. Thanks a lot.

Matti