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Re: seeking info about Ju-88 sunk 10 May 1944 near Port Vendres
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The lost shadower isn't included in that report but in another from Fliegerdiv. 2: Recce: of the 13 recce aircraft operating from 3 degrees 30 minutes west at irregular intervals, with main emphasis on night recce, only three brought in correct results for conduct of attack, two by day (one P/R) and one by night (with apparatus). Five aircraft broke off task before reaching objective owing technical trouble. One aircraft missing. One further aircraft shot down in sea off Perpignan by Allied aircraft. Remaining aircraft brought back no interpretable results.If you want to see the ULTRAs that the account in the book was based on, they are KV 3786, KV 3920 and KV 3921. All are on file DEFE3/155 and can be viewed or downloaded free at the National Archives website. Quote:
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Re: seeking info about Ju-88 sunk 10 May 1944 near Port Vendres
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272 claimed a Damaged Ju 88 in the area off "Cap Bagur" ( is this Cap Bear?) at the right time on May 10th. The French P-39 claim was on the 11th, off Algeria. I do not know of any other allied fighter claims of relevance on either day, so it would appear to me to be A/A or weather causing the 16 losses.. Cheers Russell |
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Re: seeking info about Ju-88 sunk 10 May 1944 near Port Vendres
This was convoy UGS-40 ("Element"). The convoy commander claimed 19 aircraft shot down over and around the convoy. Google UGS-40 and read the excerpt from SE Morrison.
Enjoy! Frank.
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Re: seeking info about Ju-88 sunk 10 May 1944 near Port Vendres
Thank you all,
I still have a problem with the date though : Germans says 10 may, other says 11 may. Strange... The one "shot down off Perpignan" is just the day after the FLB 581 saved the crew of a Ju 88 near Port-Vendres... Strange. Even if this one was one of the plane who broke the task and came back but was shot down, it must not be the day before. Germans says 14h12 for the salvage. When was the attack of UGS-40 : the eleven but at midnight? They didn't need 12 hours to go near Algeria (cap Bagur is in fact cape Bengut, Algeria) hervé Last edited by hervelevano; 18th October 2017 at 09:31. |
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Re: seeking info about Ju-88 sunk 10 May 1944 near Port Vendres
According to the Germans. the attacking force took off from 16.02–16.32 GMT and the first aircraft attacked from 19.07 GMT.
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Re: seeking info about Ju-88 sunk 10 May 1944 near Port Vendres
Thank you Nick,
it seems to be 2 german aircrafts sunk in my area then... We dive last week end over maybe one of them. Do you think some members here, if I send some photographs (but very low remains) could identify the plane model? I have to sort the photos then I send you one of them... thank you again for all these informations, great forum! hervé |
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Re: seeking info about Ju-88 sunk 10 May 1944 near Port Vendres
LOsses "amounted" for the 11.May evening,to a bit more than 17.., at least 9 for the KG26, among them 1 over the Etang de Mauguio, nd no less than 11 for the KG77, one given near l' Etang de Berre friendly fighter fire, nd one crashing at landing at La Jasse,
We hv also 2 losses for the ZG1 on 14. nd 11. May 44 ..it that area Rémi |
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It appears the shadower that was shot down must have been from KG 77 as well, for the only reconnaissance aircraft that went missing was flying over the Bay of Biscay. Thank you very much! Regards, Dan
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Russell, having looked at Morrison online at Frank's suggestion, I assume that the following passage of Morrison is erroneous - "Credit is due also to the intercepting Beaufighters, two of which were lost. They not only forced the German fighter cover to turn back, but knocked down a couple of Junkers planes." I was surprised that the escorting ships included only two vessels armed with heavy anti-aircraft guns - 4 inch guns on Caledon and 5 inch guns on Benson. It appears that Morrison's emphasis on the superior preparation and fighting performance of the escorting ships is correct. Regards, Dan
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