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Re: Ju88 or Ju188 crashed in Normandy summer 1944
The only SKG 10 loss on that night was a 3 Staffel machine FW 190 F-8, 581251, Yellow 9 Uffz Georg Köppel Missing near Avranches; possibly shot down by Fg Off D Welfare/Fg Off D B Bellis of 239 Sqn, Ste Quentin, 0020 hrs
Would this match and I would like to know more about the source of the photo as my book on I/SKG 10 is soon to be published and if this is his aircraft, would like to talk about using it? |
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Re: Ju88 or Ju188 crashed in Normandy summer 1944
Hello Chris
The location is just under the straight line between Rosière en Santerre the base of SKG10 and AVranche /Caen Area . This is a possibility I have still evaluated . But What is sure is that the machine was shot down at 23:00 confiormed by the police report . So would it be possible that there was a 2 hours gap between german/french time and English time ? The witness ,a woman living in this farm saw the aircraft coming down in flames . The photo were given to a man I know by the woman ,(at this date a girl) photographed near the aircraft . I have not seen this man since 1 year and , we planned to meet the family to get a better scan of the photos than these ones . But since 2 years nothing happened . I do not have better quality photos . I can try to contact him , and try to arrange a visit to the family , but is not near my house , so I have to plan it . I have a remaining question I cannot solve , the hole seen in the wings is at the exact location of the 30 mm hole for empty chutes (A8/R8) and also near the location of the support of the underwings large tanks . The damaged leading hedges do not permit to see the canon hole so ... The underwing crosses are identical to the ones seen under other Fw 190G-8 of the group I know . But the Wnr could have been badly noted . What kind of machine is it ? The pilot was found the day after the crash (if my memory is correct) , in woods surrounding the town . He was burried in the cemetary , and perhaps moved after war . What kind of machine is it ? St Quentin can be a location near Rosières en Santerre but it is far from the crash site , but there are numerous other towns having this name ... What is your degree of urgence ? This all what i can say about this aircraft Here is the photo of the Ju88/JU188 I was talking about ALl the best Eric |
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Re: Ju88 or Ju188 crashed in Normandy summer 1944
Eric
By Aug 44, I/SKG 10 was operating out of Tours. The aircraft looks too clean for an SKG 10 machine-no sign of distemper to tone down the markings. Time difference could be French/British but it tends to be the other way around-European time was later? Pehaps someone can comment on this. For the moment, as there is doubt, I will wait to find out if anyone knows more. Definetely AP but still too many Ju 88s/188s! |
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Re: Ju88 or Ju188 crashed in Normandy summer 1944
I review some photos I have in French Book , the Fw 190G-8 are not so dirty, perhaps these pictures were taken onn earl days on French Front .
It we consider it is A FW 190A-8/R8 , few units used some in France , my opinion is that is it a machine unserviceable of IV./JG3 base in June at Dreux , ferried later to his home airfield . Who knows , the pilot is unidentified . Yes there were a lot of Ju 88/Ju 188 shot down ,The man who gave me this xerox should look at his diary , if he noted the date Eric |
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Re: Ju88 or Ju188 crashed in Normandy summer 1944
Eric,
These photos do not show Ju 88 / 188. One photo clearly shows the wing had split flap (i.e. unbroken upper surface inside of the aileron), whereas the Ju 88 / 188 did not. Othervise I think all these show an Fw 190. (The baby gives the wing an larger appearance than it really is.) cheers ed |
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Re: Ju88 or Ju188 crashed in Normandy summer 1944
Hello
5 photos depict a Fw 190 A crashed at Louviers , and one in another post a Ju 88 /188 , crashed 10 km from this town Eric |
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Re: Ju88 or Ju188 crashed in Normandy summer 1944
Yes, I realize (failed to open Page2 of this thread and was really only answering the first), but, yes, the Ju 188 photo seems familiar. I may have same or similar, somewhere in backup file (still recovering from hard disc crash).
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Re: Ju88 or Ju188 crashed in Normandy summer 1944
Found it. Definately same (same surrondings) but taken much closer to the fuselage and code. Image was sold on eBay around 21.07.2005.
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Re: Ju88 or Ju188 crashed in Normandy summer 1944
Here it is. Not really 100% shure which version, Ju 88 S-3 or Ju 188. Camoflage is like Bomber units, so could be A-4 as well.
cheers ed |
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Re: Ju88 or Ju188 crashed in Normandy summer 1944
Having looked at the loss lists inthe books on KG2, KG6 and KG54 there does not appear to be a loss that ties with this Ju88/188. 6/KG6 has several losses in the period with place unknown and crew missing, which would not be the case if the aircraft came down in German Territory. No NVM that ties into KG66 who I believe did not operate a 6th Staffel . In the period would most Ju188's be more likely to operate with a four man crew, Eric mentions four killed.
Hope this one gets sorted out |
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