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Old 28th June 2017, 11:06
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USAAF Beaufighters

Good morning Gentlemen,

from David Jackson I learned that this table
http://warbirdsandairshows.com/aircr...torieswwii.htm
is based on “Victory Roll –The American Fighter Pilot and Aircraft in WWII” by William Wolf.
I've had a closer look at the USAAF Beaufighter kills: 25 in the MTO and 6 in the ETO.

However, by counting the Beaufighter kills listed elsewhere I have found a total of 32:Thus, the USAAF Beaufighter total should be considered 32 and the top USAAF Beaufighter Pilot Edward Schlueter with 3 kills, right ?

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Old 28th June 2017, 13:55
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Re: USAAF Beaufighters

Hello Michael,

Tried to give full answer by lost it, will have to write it out and copy/paste it.
Will do later on today.
Quick answer is that I have
414 - 14.
415 - 11.
416 - 7.
417 - 8.
See here for Victory Credits WW2

http://www.afhra.af.mil/Portals/16/d...090601-121.pdf

The only Groom or Roth in the above list are -
Groom - 48FS - MTO
Roth - 80FS - SWP

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Old 28th June 2017, 21:01
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Re: USAAF Beaufighters

Hello Michael,

414th NFS
27/07/43 - Capt. Charnley K. Atwater (P).
27/07/43 - F/O. David L. McAbee (R/O).

29/07/43 - Lt. George J. Holbig (P).
29/07/43 - F/O. Irving Wohl ( R/O).

18/08/43 - Capt. Earl T. Smith (P).
18/08/43 - (R/O) ?

26/11/43 - 2Lt. Francis B. Clark (P).
26/11/43 - Lt. Abraham M. Goodman (R/O).
26/11/43 - Lt. Allemande.
This claim was for an He177 into the sea. On 17/07/50 Capt. Clark claimed a Yak 9 while flying in an F-80.

23/01/44 - 1Lt. James R. Anderson (P).
23/01/44 - F/O. John A. Armstrong (R/O).
23/01/44 - Jack Gamble (P).
23/01/44 - Joe Owen ( R/O).
The above two crews jointly claimed a Do217.

23/01/44 - F/O. Clyde W. George (P).
23/01/44 - F/O. Herbert C. Penn (R/O).
This claim was for an He177K , Oblt. Georg Dietrich of KG40 off Corsica at 1750 hrs, a/c dived into the ground.

23/01/44 - 1Lt. Albert L. Jones (P).
23/01/44 - F/O. John Rudovsky (R/O).
This claim may well be in error as it matches that of the 23/12/44 below ?

06/08/44 - Capt. John F. Patterson (P).
06/08/44 - Lt. Roy E. Patton (R/O).
This claim was for a Ju88 into the sea.

23/12/44 - 1Lt. Albert L. Jones (P).
23/12/44 - F/O. John Rudovsky (R/O).
This claim was for a Ju87 of NSG 9, and was the Squadrons last Beaufighter claim.

04/02/45 - 2Lt. Orin K. Goodrich (P).
04/02/45 - 2Lt. Raymond J. Lane ( R/O).

07/04/45 - 1Lt. Albert L. Jones (P).
07/04/45 - 2Lt. John Rudovsky (R/O).

08/04/45 - 1Lt. Albert L. Jones ( P).
08/04/45 - 2Lt. John Rudovsky ( R/O).

09/04/45 - 1Lt. Robert P. Lutz (P).
09/04/45 - 2Lt. Wallace A. Morrissette ( R/O).

10/04/45 - 1Lt. Thomas J. Greenfield (P).
10/04/45 - 2Lt. Joseph E. Swartz ( R/O).

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Old 28th June 2017, 21:03
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Hello Michael,

415 NFS

24/07/43 - Capt. Nathaniel H. Lindsay (P).
24/07/43 - F/O. Austin G. Petry (R/O).
Claim was for an He115.

16/08/43 - Lt. Robert E. Walber (P).
16/08/43 - F/O. Emmett B. Raison ( R/O).
Claim was for a Can't. Z1007.

07/02/44 - 1Lt. Charles F. Horne (P).
07/02/44 - 2Lt. Richard F. Ulrich (R/O).

18/03/44 - Maj. Nathaniel H. Lindsay ( P).
18/03/44 - F/O. Austin G. Petry (R/O).

27-28/09/44 - Capt. Harold F. Augspurger (P).
27-28/09/44 - F/O. Austin G. Petry (R/O).

29-30/09/44 - Capt. Harold F. Augspurger (P).
29-30/09/44 - 2Lt. Austin G. Petry (R/O).
It seems that these claimed for the 27-28 and 29-30th for an FW200 and an HE111 were not allowed but are listed in the Declassified IAW EO12958 list that can be viewed in one of the stickies available at the top of the forum page.

27/12/44 - 1Lt. Henry J. Gilpin (P).
27/12/44 - 2Lt. Walter Clearly (R/O).

29/12/44 - 1Lt. Edward A. Schlueter (P).
29/12/44 - 2Lt. Donald J. Meiers (R/O).

29/12/44 - 1Lt. Edward A. Schlueter (P).
29/12/44 - 2Lt. Donald J. Meiers (R/O).
This was the second claim for Schlueter and Meier's for the 29/12/44.

01/01/45 - 1Lt. Edward A. Schlueter (P).
01/01/45 - 2Lt. Donald J. Meier's (R/O).

03/03/45 - 1Lt. Henry J. Gilpin (P).
03/03/45 - 2Lt. Walter Clearly (R/O).

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Old 28th June 2017, 21:04
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Re: USAAF Beaufighters

Hello Michael,

416 NFS

08/02/44 - 2Lt. James D. Urso (P).
08/02/44 - F/O. Daniel T. Powell (R/O).

24/02/44 - Capt. Darwin V. Drake Jr (P).
24/02/44 - F/O. Alfred A. Gander (R/O).

17/03/44 - 2Lt. George P. Ford (P).
17/03/44 - F/O. Arthur G. Gaudette (R/O).

10/04/44 - Maj. Rulon D. Blake (P).
10/04/44 - 2Lt. Horace E. Moody (R/O).
This crew claimed one probable and one damaged He177's while in Beaufighter ND274.

14/05/44 - 2Lt. James D. Urso (P).
14/05/44 - F/O. Daniel T. Powell (R/O).

28/02/45 - Capt. Lawrence E. Englert (P).
28/02/45 - 2Lt. Earl R. Dickey (R/O).
This claim for a Ju188 was made flying a DH Mosquito serial number MM746.

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Old 28th June 2017, 21:06
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Re: USAAF Beaufighters

Hello Michael

417NFS

11/11/43 - 1Lt. Clarence R. McCray (P).
11/11/43 - F/O. Robert D. Hamilton ( R/O).
Squadron's 1st victory, a Do217. A second was claimed as "Damaged" this night.

02/02/44 - 2Lt. Rayford W. Jeffrey (P).
02/02/44 - 2Lt. William A. Henderson (R/O).
This claim was for a Ju88.

28/03/44 - 2Lt. Rayford W. Jeffrey (P).
28/03/44 - 2Lt. William A. Henderson ( R/O).
This crew's second Ju88, they claimed a third on the 31/03/44 as "Damaged".

13/05/44 - Capt. Clarence R. McCray (P).
13/05/44 - 2Lt. Robert D. Hamilton ( R/O).
This claim was for an He177. McCray together with 2Thomas Welfley claimed a Ju88 as " Damaged" on the 15/05/44.

20/07/44 - 2Lt. Robert W. Inglis (P).
20/07/44 - F/O. Theodore E. Hearne (R/O).

03/08/44 - 1Lt. William R. Williamson ( P).
03/08/44 - 2Lt. Dan B. Cordell (R/O).

28/11/44 - Capt. Theodore A. Deakyne (P).
28/11/44 - 1Lt. Robert E. Perkins (R/O).

28/12/44 - 1Lt. Malcolm D. Campbell (P).
28/1244 - 2Lt. Robert J. McCullen (R/O).

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Re: USAAF Beaufighters

Alex,
All five claims by the 414th NFS in 1945 were made while flying the P-61, and are considered to be ETO claims, not MTO. They are confirmed by 9th Tactical Air Command Victory Credit Board reports.

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Old 29th June 2017, 00:27
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Re: USAAF Beaufighters

Hello Frank,
Thank you for the update re the P61 claims. I had recently been corrected about the 415 NFS claims and their P61's so aprecated it.
With regard to ETO or MTO claims, I do not think that Michael differentiated, So I gave what I had.
The 416NFS Mosquito claim is interesting if only because they had them because the delivery of their P61's was delayed.
Again thanks for the update. My 414 NFS post above now corrected.
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Re: USAAF Beaufighters

Hello Alex,

thanks a lot for your Beaufighter victory lists.
They match quite well with the data provided on oocities.org.
The main differences are:
  • 414.: the website implies that the kill by Jones on 23/12/44 was scored in a P-61
  • 414.: the website doesn't indicate a kill by Lutz
  • 417.: the website indicates a kill by Groom
I didn't know about the involvement of Allemande and Gamble/Owen in the 414. NFS kills on 26/11/43 and 23/01/44, respectively.
Was Allemande a third crew member ?
Were Gamble/Owen a Beaufighter crew ?

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Re: USAAF Beaufighters

Hello Michael,
In response to the questions you now raise on the 414NFS/417 NFS's -
1 - the 23/12/44 claim by the Jones crew.
My additional comment does refer to it being the Squadrons last Beaufighter claim, my ref to this was from the notes I took some time ago from either of the following, "Bristol Beaufighter" by J. Scutts; "Beaufighter Squadrons" by Simon Parry; "The Bristol Beaufighter "SAM Publication; "Camouflage & Markings"; armyairforce.com(old forum); AAIR; and other forums one of which you gave in your earlier post.

2 - The claim by the Lutz crew, if you check Frank's post above you will see that it was a P61 claim so is not relevant to your Beaufighter question, but is in my list as others as "all "squadron claims.

3 - The 417 NFS claim by the Groom crew, as in my post above the claims list ( link given) has only as in my post -
"Groom, Robert C - 25/08/44 and 17/12/44 - 48 FS - MTO" these are the only claims in the list by a Groom.
"Roth, Russell M - 12/04/44 and 21/12/44 - 80 FS - SWP" these are the only claims in the list by a Roth.
Both the Groom and Roth claims are on different dates and different parts of the world, I have no further info re the Groom/Roth crew with the 417 NFS. What was the date of their claim ?

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