Two Ju52 lost in October 44 (Croatia) check

[drifter206]

Hello all
I have two cases of crashed Ju 52 to check for additional info;
15.10.44., Ju 52 w.n. 3050, III/TG 2, Ofw. Gerhard Paulik KIA, 9 captured (near Kravarsko village); source: Hunting Tito, Lovro Peršen
do we know names of others on board ?


19. or 24.10. 44., Ju 52 w.n. 5763, 13/TG 1, 2-KIA, others unknown (40 km near Zagreb).
Which date is correct for this case and is there more info about crew and passengers.
as always thanks in advance
Antun

[RT]

15 10 44 3 NSGr,7/TG2 Gorica 15 km SW /Vukovar -Zagreb/ N besch d. Banden JU52 3050 8T+GT 50 Versorg, NSGr,7/ Verlegung NSGr,7 Bodenpers. Der NSGr.7 KG wurden später ausgetauscht
Christophe, Günther Uffz f NSGr,7
Hellmuth, Friedrich Fw 1,wart NSGr,7
Hollesch, Alois Uffz B,P, NSGr,7
Isringhaus, Rudolf Fw 1,wart NSGr,7
Kühn, Erwin Ofw f x NSGr,7
Niewöhner, Franz Uffz bd kg
Paulick, Gerhard Ofw B,P, x NSGr,7
Schiffner, Willi Ofw f NSGr,7
Strixner, Jakob Ogfr 1,wart NSGr,7
Theising, Bernhard Gefr bf x
Walter, Hans Fw 1,wart NSGr,7
Weber, Johann Ogfr B,P,
Wennemede, Hans-Ullrich fw bw x
19 10 44 13 TG1 F Agram 40 km ost,/Krisch A/N verbrannt Bandengebiet JU52 5763 1Z+BX RY+NV 4 mann zgk Polykastron-Agram Besatz, zgk flgäste 17 / 2T 8 VM 7 ZGK
Adler fw bd zgk i, Agram
Blechschmidt kurt stge 1,wart kg zgk v, Banden 17,Jan,45 53616/242-161108-Leipzig
Boromski ludwig ge elektr, t 53616/246-290925-Duisburg Hamborn
Busse heinz ge f kg zgk v, Banden 17,Jan,45
Gerhard wolfgang oge bf v
Greif hermann uffz bf zgk i, Mostar
Hoffmann kurt uffz bw kg zgk v, Banden 17,Jan,45
Jirkal eduard fw bd kg zgk v, Banden 17,Jan,45
Kuhn august ge 1,wart zgk zgk v, Banden 17,Jan,45 53616/267-070714-Zabern Elsass
Larisch georg ge 1,wart zgk zgk v, Banden 17,Jan,45 53616/239-250823-Gleiwitz
Lehmann josef ge 1,wart kg zgk v, Banden 17,Jan,45 53616/266-150620-Bischofsheim unterelsass
Liebherr adolf fw bm zgk i, Mostar
Roth hermann oge bf v
Wieser stefan ofw f v-le i, Agram 53616/211-221205-Piding b, Bad Reichenhall

Sources NVM /HW 5/BAMA Aussenfl,pers,nd at" last but not at least " matti Salonen
Rémi

[Jim P.]

Rémi,

I know there is some method behind that word salad, but, if possible, could you kindly translate some of this, some of your abbreviations and such, for the rest of us? Thank you.

[RT]

With pleasure, zgk,=zurückgekehrt , for the rest as follow;
15 10 44 3 NSGr,7 nd or TG2 Gorica 15 km SW /Vukovar -Zagreb/ Notlandung beschädigt durch Banden
JU52 3050 8T+GT 50 Versorgung, NSGr,7/ Verlegung NSGr,7 Bodenpers.
Der NSGr.7 Kr.Gefangene wurden später ausgetauscht.

Christophe, Günther Uffz f NSGr,7
Hellmuth, Friedrich Fw 1,wart NSGr,7
Hollesch, Alois Uffz B,P, NSGr,7
Isringhaus, Rudolf Fw 1,wart NSGr,7
Kühn, Erwin Ofw f x NSGr,7
Niewöhner, Franz Uffz bd kg
Paulick, Gerhard Ofw B,P, x NSGr,7
Schiffner, Willi Ofw f NSGr,7
Strixner, Jakob Ogfr 1,wart NSGr,7
Theising, Bernhard Gefr bf vermisst
Walter, Hans Fw 1,wart NSGr,7
Weber, Johann Ogfr B,P,
Wennemede, Hans-Ullrich fw bw vermisst.

19 10 44 13.TG1 Agram 40 km ost,/Krisch Abgest. od. Notlandung verbrannt/ Bandengebiet
JU52 5763 1Z+BX RY+NV 4 mann der Besatz. zgk Polykastron-Agram , fluggäste =17 / 2Tot 8 vermisst 7 ZGK
Adler fw bd zgk i, Agram
Blechschmidt kurt stge 1,wart kg zgk v, Banden 17,Jan,45 53616/242-161108-Leipzig
Boromski ludwig ge elektr, t 53616/246-290925-Duisburg Hamborn
Busse heinz ge f kg zgk v, Banden 17,Jan,45
Gerhard wolfgang oge bf v
Greif hermann uffz bf zgk i, Mostar
Hoffmann kurt uffz bw kg zgk v, Banden 17,Jan,45
Jirkal eduard fw bd kg zgk v, Banden 17,Jan,45
Kuhn august ge 1,wart zgk zgk v, Banden 17,Jan,45 53616/267-070714-Zabern Elsass
Larisch georg ge 1,wart zgk zgk v, Banden 17,Jan,45 53616/239-250823-Gleiwitz
Lehmann josef ge 1,wart kg zgk v, Banden 17,Jan,45 53616/266-150620-Bischofsheim unterelsass
Liebherr adolf fw bm zgk i, Mostar
Roth hermann oge bf v
Wieser stefan ofw f v-le i, Agram 53616/211-221205-Piding b, Bad Reichenhall

[drifter206]

Thank you RT
can you imagine world without Matti work
br
Antun

[Jim P.]

Thank you Rémi. I was missing both of these losses in my own data and my main question was whether or not there was info on the crewman from these Ju 52s in there somewhere. Your explanation helps immensely.

We all record this stuff in our own way, and I'm sure some of what I've posted over the years is a mystery to many, so, again, thank you for the clarification. jlp