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Old 21st March 2006, 18:02
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Aircraft gun article

I have posted on my website a new article concerning aircraft guns:

http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/CannonMGs.htm (Cannon or machine guns in WW2)

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Old 25th March 2006, 07:20
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Re: Aircraft gun article

Very good article, Tony.
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Old 25th March 2006, 21:20
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Re: Aircraft gun article

Tony,
Nothing in there about the 30 mm. MG101...
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Old 26th March 2006, 08:42
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Re: Aircraft gun article

True, but that really wasn't an air combat gun: the Bf 110C-6 seems to have been used for ground attack and, apart from that, it was only ever fitted to the Hs 129 and a few He 177 AFAIK.

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Old 29th March 2006, 22:20
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Re: Aircraft gun article

Tony, can you explain this for me? In your article it is stated:

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In May 1940 the Bf 109E-4 entered service with the modified MG-FFM gun, adapted to fire the new Mjnengeschoss (mine shell) ammunition which had very thin walls and a doubled capacity for high explosive (HE) and/or incendiary. As a bonus the shells were lighter, permitting a higher muzzle velocity.
I have read in other sources that the large mine shell used in the MK-108 was limited to low muzzle velocities by the thin walls of the projectile. The reason stated was that the thin wall would deform and jam in the barrel if to much propellant was used. So it seems strange that the MG-FFM would have higher muzzle velocity for the thin walled version than the regular. Am I missing something?
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Old 30th March 2006, 08:41
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I don't think it's true that the thin walls of the M-Geschoss shells limited velocity that much. Not only were the MG-FFM's shells fired by the more powerful MG 151/20, but (more surprisingly) the low-velocity MK 108's shells were also fired by the high-velocity MK 103. The base of the M-Geschoss shell was hemispherical, which is the best shape for resisting the pressure of firing, so made it stronger than the thin walls would suggest.

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Old 8th April 2006, 11:23
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Re: Aircraft gun article

Dear Mr. Williams,
I've recently acquired copy of the book on W.W. II flying guns that you wrote with Dr. Gustin and I just wish to take opportunity to tank you for all your work. The scientific approach you were able to give to this topic is interesting to the extreme for an aviation enthusiast as I am.
I've been always interested in the syncro devices of the W.W II warplanes and in particular the Costantinescu gear that equipped the Gladiator and the Sicncronizzazione a tre rulli of all the Italian fighters but I was unable to find out details about them (how they worked -in some details-, how much they affected rate of fire, how reliable they were...) May be you can help showing me where to find these infos.
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Old 8th April 2006, 14:45
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Hi Ludovico,

I'm pleased that you enjoyed the book!

Synchronisation systems are dealt with in the earlier volume of Flying Guns (1914-33) as there wasn't much development of them after that.

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Old 8th April 2006, 15:17
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Re: Aircraft gun article

Dear Mr. Williams,
thank you for the fast answer; you've already sold another copy of one of your books.

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