Luftwaffe Losses Detailed Information

[byron-]

Ηι,
Ι have a loss of a Ju 52 Sea of Seetransportstaffel 1, shot down on 29.05.43 [Ju 52, W.Nr.7103] 100% by Sqd 227. Crew survived, ho knows their names??

[Rottler]

Hi byron-

Gen.Qu. loss report from June 8, 1943:

29.5. Lufttransportstaffel See
Feindflug Milos-Athen
Ju 52 7103 Zerstörerbeschuß 100%

F no name, uninjured
Bf Uffz Greh injured
Bm Uffz Scholz injured
Bs Uffz Toth injured
Passenger Ogefr Georg Hiepe, Leichte Flakabteilung 891, dead.

Regards
Leo

[byron-]

Hallo Leo,

meinen allerbesten Dank

Byron

[Rottler]

Hello Byron,

in the database of "Luftwaffe-zur-See.de" are some complement and divergent informations:
Ju 52/See
Kennung DD+ZX
WNr. 7105 (in Gen.Qu. loss report clearly 7103)
Verband LTS (See)
Ort und Ursache: Qu 48534/23 Ost, Transportflug Milos-Athen, musste infolge Feindbeschuss 200 m von der Küste auf dem Wasser notlanden, sie ist brennend mit Fluggästen gesunken. 7 Mann einschließlich Besatzung retteten sich durch schwimmen an Land.
Besatzung:
+ Ogefr Georg Hiepe
(Bf) Uffz Groh > WIA (in Gen.Qu. clearly Uffz Greh)
(Bm) Uffz Scholz > WIA
(Bs) Uffz Toth > WIA.

Regards
Leo

[Stig Jarlevik]

Leo

I have DD+ZY as WNr 7104, so a WNr 7103 for DD+ZX sounds much more logic.

Cheers
Stig

[byron-]

Hi Leo,
thanks for the additional inf about its "Kennung".

Byron

[Tom Willis]

Seaplanes is right but there is a break in the Stkz/W/Nr

7081 - 7088 DD+ZA-ZH
7089 D-ASHY
7090 - 7107 DD+ZI-ZZ

[Nick Beale]

Two ULTRAs from 1940:

CX/JQ/101
1/7/40
6. Staffel 7 of JG 53 reported on 30/6 that a/c DD+HY while engaged on courier duty between Rennes and Paris had a mishap resulting in 80% damage; the two NCO’s of the crew being slightly injured. (A)

CX/JQ/496
1.12.40
18. Restkommando of KGr. 100 wished to know from KGr. 100 on 30/11 whether a/c DD+RQ, W.Nr. 3353 was to receive marking 6N+AH. Hauptmann Schmidt had already communicated with KGr. 100, and the Restkommando required an immediate answer. Oberleutnant Garms replied that the marking would be 6N+AH. (A)

[Tom Willis]

Hi Nick - Thanks for this additional insight into early Lw decripts. Both Stkz are new. the DD+RQ with W/Nr 3353 is most likely a He111H. However, I have this W/Nr as KL+GK dated 30.01.43 from a foto source. Any ideas?
The DD+HY is less certain. I have DD+HX as a Fw44 with LKS4 dated 10.40. Although this type of aircraft was more likely to be allocated to a 2nd line training duties several have been noted with 1st line fighter units. Again any ideas?

[Gerhard]

Going back to the Ju 52:
There is yet another version around:
7082-7107 DD+ZA to DD+ZZ
of which 7089 did not actually use DD+ZH (or for a very short time only), but was converted to a 'te' model for Lufthansa as D-ASHY.
What is the correct version?

And finally, which aircraft was lost on 29.05.43: 7103 or 7105?

Gerhard