9th October 1939 - Luftwaffe losses

[Faenor]

Hi all,

I´m looking for info about luftwaffe bomber losses this date in "Western front" .

I know only this info from Fledgling Eagles :

1x Ju 88 from 3./KG 30 - this is first operation loss of Ju 88 ?

2x He 111 from II./KG 26 without fuel belly landed in Denmark

1x He 111 from II./LG 1 crashed in Ludwigslut

1x He 111 from I./KG 26 crashed

Im looking for WNr., code and name of crew - any help or info about www link or books are welcome.

Thanks Faenor

[Peter Cornwell]

I have the Lw losses of October 9, 1939, currently listed as follows:

I./KG26 Heinkel He111H. Abandoned prior to landing at Lübeck-Blankensee airfield, cause not stated. Crew baled out unhurt. Aircraft 100% write-off.

4./KG26 Heinkel He111H. Belly-landed in dunes on the island of Fanø in Denmark out of fuel following unsuccessful sortie to locate and attack elements of the British Fleet 5.05 p.m. FF Oberfw Hans Immel, BO Lt Werner Wanderer, BF Gefr Kurt Büchner, and BM Uffz Anton Brunner all interned. Aircraft 1H+LM 100% write-off.
Anton Brunner was slightly injured in the foot and admitted to St Joseph Hospital for treatment. The entire crew was later held at Hald, near Viborg, where they remained until Denmark was occupied by German armed forces on April 9, 1940.

4./KG26 Heinkel He111H. Belly-landed near Nymindegab in Denmark out of fuel following unsuccessful sortie to locate and attack elements of the British Fleet 4.45 p.m. FF Fw Fritz Baldauf, BM Uffz Erich Scheinert, BO Uffz Hermann Gutacker, and BF Oberfw Adolph Friedrich Düring all interned. Aircraft 1H+NM fired by crew - 100% write-off.
This crew was later held at Hald, near Viborg, where they remained until Denmark was occupied by German armed forces on April 9, 1940.

6./KG27 Heinkel He111H. Forced-landed near Dresden due to engine trouble. Crew unhurt. Aircraft 1G+HP damage state not recorded.

3./KG30 Junkers Ju88A-1. Crashed 100 km south-east of Scapa Flow following unsuccessful sortie to locate and attack elements of the British Fleet 4.45 p.m. FF Oberlt Konrad Kahl, BO Fw Werner Tillmann, BF Uffz Rudolf Kalitzke, and BS Uffz Hans Selck all killed. Aircraft 100% write-off.

I./KG51 Heinkel He111H. Involved in landing accident at Bad Wörrishofen airfield, cause not stated. Crew unhurt. Aircraft 30% damaged but repairable.

2./KüFlGr.406 Dornier Do18D-3 (0816). Ditched 11 miles south of Farsund, Norway. FF Oberlt Kurt Wachsmuth, BO Oberlt zur See Franz Töpper, BF Oberfunkmaat Rudolf Wildgrube, and BM Uffz Friedrich Schmidt all interned. Aircraft S4+FK 100% write-off.

2./KüFlGr.406 Dornier Do18D-3 (0827). Ditched 60 km north-west of Sylt. Crew all rescued unhurt. Aircraft S4+JK 100% write-off.

1./KüFlGr.506 Dornier Do18. Ditched in the Baltic due to loss of engine coolant and towed back to Pillau by Poseidon . Crew unhurt. Aircraft repairable.

3./KüFlGr.706 Heinkel He59 (1996 or 1998). Crashed attempting forced-landing in heavy seas 40 miles north-west of Sylt. FF Oberlt Georg Merkel, BO Oberlt Joachim Sander, BF Fw Werner Mingenbach, and BM Uffz Willi Pester all killed. Aircraft P5+HL 100% write-off.

3./KüFlGr.706 Heinkel He59. Damaged forced-landing in the Baltic, cause not stated. Crew all unhurt. Aircraft P5+UL 20% damaged but repairable.

3./KüFlGr.706 Heinkel He59 (1993). Ditched 10 km north-west of Sylt due to petrol shortage. Crew unhurt. Aircraft 20% damaged but repairable.

5.(K)/LG1 Heinkel He111H. Crashed in bad weather at Warlow, 6 km north-west of Ludwigslust, on return from unsuccessful sortie against the British Fleet. FF Lt Waldemar Lutz, BO Uffz Fritz Bethke, BF Uffz Herbert Gartzke, and BS Obergefr Wilhelm Beckmann all killed. Aircraft 100% write-off.

Any errors or ommissions will be gratefully received.

[gogh]

I not sure about some data but this is what I have

6I+HL Heinkel He59DW.Nr.1993
Source: Les Hydravions de la Luftwaffe
Jean-Louis Roba Michel Ledet Lela Presse ISBN 2-914017-47-2
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2./KüFlGr.406 Dornier Do18D-3 (0816) S4+FK
8L+FK V816 stkz BA+UR 1939-10-09 -1939-12-06 -1942-07-27
Source: Les Hydravions de la Luftwaffe
Jean-Louis Roba Michel Ledet Lela Presse ISBN 2-914017-47-2
Flyalarm! Sem & Stenersen 1991 ISBN 82-7046-058-3
I think an error is in the date's when it was destroyed on 1939-10-09.
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2./KüFlGr.406 Dornier Do18D-3 (0827) S4+JK
2./Kü.Fl.Gr.606 V827
Source: Les Hydravions de la Luftwaffe
Jean-Louis Roba Michel Ledet Lela Presse ISBN 2-914017-47-2

regards
Peter van Gogh

[Laurent Rizzotti]

Soren Flensted's website about Air War over Denmark had three of the above losses listed, a Do 18 and both He 111 of 4./KG 26. Strangely the latter are both listed on the 8th of October, where all my sources gave the date of their loss as the 9th. The website provides detail of their fate and pictures of their wrecks.

Website: http://www.flensted.eu.com/g193900.shtml

[Faenor]

Thanks to all for this info -

Strangely we dont know W.Nr of bombers ? From beginnig of the war, or from Denmark police or army, who examined the wrecks He 111´s from 4./KG 26 ?

I have this problem with other luftwaffe bomber losses from 1939 :-(

Thanks again for answers and regards

Faenor

[Chris Goss]

It was too early in the war for Wk Nrs to be regularly recorded-this began to happen in late August/early September 1940

[Faenor]

Hi Chris,

why we know serial numbers in seaplanes example from same date ? There was different in documents about loss of machine between this units ? This is really strange for me and thanks for reply .

Regards Faenor