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Unknown plane in Greece
Hi gents
Any info about that plane crashed in Greece 1941 would be appreciated Last edited by byron-; 19th May 2015 at 15:02. |
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Re: Unknown plane in Greece
Hi, Byron...
This appears to be a bit of a conundrum. I think the code is likely to be 6G+LR, which would make this an aircraft of 7./St.G.51 prior to July 1940; thereafter, III./St.G.51 became II./St.G.1, retaining the '6G' parent code. In this image, we can clearly see the letter 'R', the 7.Staffel indicator. However, if you're correct about the location being Greece, I am presuming the photo was taken sometime during the Balkans campaign of 1941, but this would conflict with the redesignation date of III./St.G.51 becoming II./St.G.1. Without meaning to doubt you, are you sure the photo was taken in Greece? The subtype would appear to be a Ju87R, given the fuel tanks evident in the photo. Regards, Paul |
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Re: Unknown plane in Greece
Hello Paul,
The photo was given to me as it had been taken in Greece but i don`t put my hand in fire. I think too it is coded with 6G+LR and could belong to II./StG. 1, month May 1941 in Argos. Unfortunately, i don`t have this accident in my lists. An other pic attached regards Byron Last edited by byron-; 19th May 2015 at 15:02. |
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Re: Unknown plane in Greece
These basically fit to the VKZ 6G+LR:
1941-05-23, II/St.G 1, Ju 87 R-2, 6072, Argos, Bruchlandung. Bruch 50 %. 1941-05-24, II/St.G 1, Ju 87 R-1, 5545, Galntus, Notlandung infolge Motorschaden. Bruch 100 %. 1941-05-24, II/St.G 1, Ju 87 R-2, 6083, Insel Dakos, Notlandung infolge Brennstoffmangel. Bruch 100 %. I have no other Ju 87 -losses of II/St.G 1 in Greece in 1941. Matti |
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Re: Unknown plane in Greece
Hello Matti,
After my archive the Ju 87 R-1, 5545 crashed by Galatas, a place named Galntus doesn`t exist in Greece FF. Fw. Klotzer (vw.), Ju 87 (W.Nr. 5545) 100% m. BF. Kobelspiess (vw.) 24.05.41 bei Galatas / An other loss ocurred in Maleme 24.05.41 Ju 87 R2 (W.Nr. 5877) 100% Notlandung Maleme |
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Re: Unknown plane in Greece
Thanks for correction. I have also this loss at Maleme, but didn't consider it, because it was not in the Greek mainland.
Matti |
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Re: Unknown plane in Greece
Hi,
Further to my earlier posting - post #2 above, I can only imagine that the redesignated II./St.G.1 retained its III./St.G.51 codes for longer than I thought; this would perhaps account for the anomolous letter 'R', a 7.Staffel (and therefore III.Gruppe) identifier long after the unit's redesignation. Might someone be able to confirm this for me? Thanks, Paul |
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Re: Staffel-lettering of the II/StG 1
Yes, Paul, that IS the case. The II/StG 1 continued to use R, S and T for their 4., 5. and 6. Staffeln, even into late 1943 when they became II/SG 1. Example: Hptm. Heinz Roka's Ju 87D-5 WNr.130931, 6G+AT, lost 21.Oct. 1943
GRM |
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Re: Unknown plane in Greece
Mr Morrison...
Thank you, problem solved! Regards, Paul |
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