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Identification of two pilots, France, Summer 1944
(Posted on behalf of Jochen Prien)
Gentlemen, attached please find a photo showing two pilots taken in the summer of 1944 in France; may be these have been subject of another thread somewhere else before, yet I still try to establish their identity. The photo is part of a series of PK-photos taken in France by a PK-photographer and are now held by the B.A. Several photos from this series showing a Bf109G-6/AS and a Bf109G-6/Bf109G-14 have been published many times over. But as far as I know they have so far eluded positive identification. We can see a Leutnant wearing a German Cross in Gold and an Oberfeldwebel decorated with an Iron Cross 1st Class. Does anybody know who these two pilots are ? I would be very grateful if their identity could be ascertained. Kind regards Jochen Prien |
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Re: Identification of two pilots, France, Summer 1944
I do not claim to have the solution but the vegetation in the photo could already clarify things. Would it be possible to see the pictures of the series where the aircraft appear? I do not doubt that many people have seen them without finding a solution but I have a doubt to clarify.
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Re: Identification of two pilots, France, Summer 1944
Little titbit: left pilot is married, picture is taken 18:55
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Re: Identification of two pilots, France, Summer 1944
iii/JG3. See pages 157 and 159 of Jean-Bernard Frappe's La Luftwaffe face au debarquement allie. Our married dude shows up.
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Re: Identification of two pilots, France, Summer 1944
Hello all,
Is there a possibility the tall thin DKiG pilot is Lt Wolf-Dietrich Steibler of JG 52 and I./JG 3? Russell |
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Re: Identification of two pilots, France, Summer 1944
Hello Snautzer,
the pilot is wearing his ring on the left hand. That means often, in Germany, that he is, in time, engaged with his girl. Very small help for you and Nick I know. Best greetings Manfred |
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Re: Identification of two pilots, France, Summer 1944
Never knew that , thank you
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Re: Identification of two pilots, France, Summer 1944
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although it will bring us no closer to the solution of this thread's issue, the above statment needs clarification - in Germany the wedding ring is usually worn on the right hand ring finger by Protestants, whereas Catholics usually wear it on the left hand ring finger. Protestants in the past often wore their (future) wedding ring on the left hand ring finger during the time between engagement and marriage. Therefore our Leutnant in question may have been a married Catholic or an engaged Protestant. KR Jochen Prien |
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Re: Identification of two pilots, France, Summer 1944
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The discussion of the place of a wedding/engagement ring of a German pilot is fruitless on my opinion. Me, a native German (catholic) was engaged with an American girl and wore my ring then lefthand. After wedding, I changed it righthand. After a week, I rechanged it back lefthand since it is much more comfortable in working for a complete right-hander like me. Concerning your post, I asked my mother (87 years) and she told me, that in our catholic area (Rhineland) the married couples wore their wedding rings lefthand usually. Best wishes ! Horst Weber |
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Re: Identification of two pilots, France, Summer 1944
The one on the left looks a bit like Heinrich Bartels.
His right eyebrow is a bit higher than the one on the left. His mouth and chin show similarities to other Bartels pictures and in some pictures his pose is the same... There is a Bartels picture in Italy in which you can even see a ring on the same finger mentioned earlier in this thread... But I'm not sure it's him... Maybe someone else here can shed a light on this... With kind regards, Piet |
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