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Old 13th May 2014, 22:51
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It does not add up,

Nice photo.

http://www.ebay.de/itm/Echtfoto-Engl.../310955407789

Only listing for a P7?37 that matches and was a loss in Europe is

P7537 IIa CBAF MXII 38MU 21-10-40 74S 4-11-40
Shot down by Bf109 nr Gravelines on bomber escort mission 6-5-41 AST SOC 28-5-41 Sgt Arnett POW

But its a 65Sqn aircraft and not a 74Sqn loss. Also P7537 never listed with 65Sqn.

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Old 13th May 2014, 23:54
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Re: It does not add up,

I think this photo has been on this forum before and is P7733 of 65 Sqn lost on 5/2/1941 with the loss of Sgt HC Orchard. I think another photo exists of this from the other side showing the body of the pilot before being removed? (I could be mistaking this for another incident)
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Old 13th May 2014, 23:59
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Re: It does not add up,

Hi Larry,

It was posted on one of Ed's posts on the 9th/11th of this month but no further info.

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Old 14th May 2014, 00:30
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Re: It does not add up,

I am sure I have seen it months ago as until recently was too busy with other things to do too much on here.

What about the other photos of this plane - did you post these also?
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Old 14th May 2014, 11:50
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Re: It does not add up,

Not convinced that is P7733 of Sgt Harold Charles Orchard #523288 as however I look at lit (and unless it has been mis-painted' the last figure has a straight line at the top so has to be a 5 or a 7 not a 3

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http://www.ajbrown.me.uk/IndividualS.../Chapter11.htm


as it says "This is probably Hill's plane as Harold Orchard's crashed into a hillside, and would have been more damaged`"
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Old 14th May 2014, 12:16
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Re: It does not add up,

Could it be an R not a P?
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Old 14th May 2014, 13:23
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Re: It does not add up,

I have played with contract and brightness on this and I can only see P7537
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Old 14th May 2014, 14:24
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Re: It does not add up,

Hi Larry, Paul, etc.

I know which photos you are talking about. I remember the photos showing the pilot slumped outside of the port side of the cockpit. No idea if it was this aircraft or not.

If Arnott of 74Sqn was flying P7537 (P8199 in his log book filled out four years later!) he recorded it as a belly landing. This is not a survivable belly landing and not even sure he flew P7537 on his last mission either. Could have been Howard's.

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Re: It does not add up,

I think the one with the body alongside the aircraft is 64 Sqn shot down by Fozo. I have photos of Arnott's crash-landed Spitfire if I remember correctly-victim of Joppien? Alistair Arnott was shot down in P7928/ZP-N on 5 May 41-definitely not this aircraft

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Re: It does not add up,

Same aircraft ?
http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showthread.php?t=19400
post by JohnE;
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http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showthread.php?t=8920
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