Lost B17 and B24 on 1945.01.12 in Belgium

[ytargsillou]

Hello to all,

Does anyone have a listing of B17 ( and B24 ) lost over Belgium on 12th january 1945. I'm searching an US bomber crashed on 12.00 PM about 30 km southern Brussels.

Second question : I read there was no bombing operations on this date because bad weather. Is that right ?

Thanks in advance.

Best regards from Belgium.

Christophe

[ClinA-78]

Hello,

Do you know its crashlocation as I am quite familiar with the area 'about 30 km Southern Brussels'.

Best regards

ClinA-78

[Horst Weber]

Good evening Christophe !

According the Operation Reports, there were no operational missions of 8th and 9th AF on January 12th, 1945, over ETO.
Additional, sources report four non-operational accidental-incidents of 398th BG and one crash-landing of 92nd
B-17 that day.
Two 458th BG and one 491st BG B-24 had mishaps that day.
Source: (The Mighty Eight Combat Chronology)
These mishaps may have had occured in England as well as in Belgium. By the bombing around the Christmas days 1944 in the Ardennes pocket and general region, many allied bombers were damaged and landed in Belgium on allied airfields to be repaired. After the maintenance or repair, they went for their bases to UK.

Best wishes !

Horst Weber

[FrankieS]

Hi, have only this one:

B-17
43-38816
BG487
BS836
Mulhollan, Jack W.
belly landing St. Trond, BE (which is E of Bruxelles)
battle damaged

[ytargsillou]

Hello Frankies,

Thanks for your answer. I found this links with pics for the 43-38816 :
http://forum.armyairforces.com/B17-4338816-m179055.aspx
That's not mine, I'm certain. I'm looking for a bomber crashed just at the entrance of a forest.
Regards.

Christophe

[FrankieS]

Hi !

Maybe the date is wong ???

I send you my incomplete list of B17 and B-24 that came down in Belgium.
bye, good luck, FrankieS

date, a/c type, serial, nickname, Group, Squadron, crashplace, country

aircraft type = B-17
421009 B-17 41-24510 Snoozy II 306 367 Nechin BE
430113 B-17 41-24601 305 365 Pollinkhove BE
430622 B-17 42-3209 Janelle 306 376 Ghent BE
430730 B-17 42-30290 Lucky Lady II 96 338 Tielrode BE
430730 B-17 42-30202 388 563 Liege BE
430812 B-17 42-30194 95 335 3920 Lommel-Kattenbos BE
430817 B-17 42-2990 Dame Satan 91 322 Montreuil-au-Bois Wannebecq BE
430817 B-17 42-5225 V-Packette 91 323 Mol ?Baelen BE
430817 B-17 42-29853 92 327 Euskirchen BE
430817 B-17 42-3435 92 327 Neerepen St Huibrechts-Hern BE
430817 B-17 42-30389 Dear Mom 94 331 Lummen, 10 km E Diest BE
430817 B-17 42-30176 Assassin 95 335 Oostmalle BE
430817 B-17 42-30274 Our Bay-Bee 95 334 Mol BE
430817 B-17 42-5867 Alice From Dallas 100 350 Langerloo BE
430817 B-17 42-30159 Setting Bull 305 366 Wegnez Bilstain BE
430817 B-17 41-24564 Patches 305 365 Diest Testelt Averbode BE
430817 B-17 42-3225 Chug-A-Lug-Lulu 381 353 Tongeren (Limbourg) BE
430817 B-17 42-30245 Lady Luck 381 534 Oostmalle ?Rumst BE
430817 B-17 42-3227 381 534 Teuven BE
431004 B-17 42-3274 91 323 1 KIA; 9 POW Limburg BE
431020 B-17 42-30372 Shack Rabbit III 96 413 7973 Granglise BE
431020 B-17 42-29571 Charley Horse, 303 358 Mons ?Guise/F BE
431105 B-17 42-30789 388 563 Lokeren BE
431230 B-17 42-39795 Woman`s Home Companion 303 360 S Florennes BE
440124 B-17 42-30181 Herky Jerky II / Lover Boy 95 335 Torhout near Brussells BE
440129 B-17 42-3545 95 334 Bruxelles BE
440129 B-17 42-39786 G.I. Sheets 303 427 Soire-St-Gery ?Laon BE
440129 B-17 42-30354 385 549 Anderlues BE
440204 B-17 42-31109 Dollie Madison 92 327 Peruwelz BE
440210 B-17 42-31338 Hard To Get 452 728 near Kemmel BE
440221 B-17 42-31860 92 407 Oostende BE
440225 B-17 42-31820 305 364 BE
440304 B-17 42-31565 95 335 Saint-Symphorien, near Cateau BE
440304 B-17 42-32007 384 545 Ransart BE
440319 B-17 42-31926 Lovell's Hovel 384 545 ?Waurens BE
440324 B-17 42-31544 305 366 Sint-Kruis-Winkel near Gent BE
440410 B-17 42-31258 Lucky Strike 95 334 Ercis BE
440413 B-17 42-97274 384 547 7830 Fouleng-Silly BE
440422 B-17 42-38127 95 336 North Sea 5 mil off Ostende BE
440422 B-17 42-39807 Nero 303 358 Wevelghen BE
440427 B-17 42-107197 447 710 Ostend BE
440429 B-17 42-37980 DAT'S GOOT 388 562 20 mil W Ypres BE
440429 B-17 42-31116 "Cawn't Miss 401 614 Liers/Liege BE
440501 B-17 42-31152 96 339 Isieres BE
440501 (440401) B-17 42-37949 Sunrise Serenade 452 730 Sint-Ulriks-Kapelle estate of the Viscount de Ghellinck at Sint-Ulriks-Kapelle BE
440512 B-17 42-39941 Lucky Lady II 452 731 near Sougne-Remouchamps Aywalle b. Lüttich BE
440527 B-17 42-38055 457 748 9180 Moerbeke BE
440529 B-17 42-97808 452 729 near Grand-Leez BE
440617 B-17 42-97312 42-97132 306 367 Bacqueville BE
440713 B-17 42-97348 398 603 Viesenbeek BE
440720 B-17 42-97564 100 418 near Louvain BE
440728 B-17 42-102579 398 603 Wanfercee-Baulet BE
440809 B-17 42-102645 305 365 BE
440913 B-17 42-97848 Silverwings 92 327 AF Schaffen-Diest (wooded area close) BE
440913 B-17 43-37755 Everybodys Baby 379 Ciney 7 km NW BE
440917 B-17 44-8011 Misbehavin' 384 547 Liege BE
440919 B-17 42-37982 The Tremblin' Gremlin 384 544 Binche BE
440919 B-17 43-37959 Flak Plow 486 834 BE
441002 B-17 Ground Pounder 447 708 Bruxelles 19 mil E to BE
441003 B-17 43-37990 Parker's Madhouse 384 547 Tremelo/Baal BE
441015 B-17 43-37513 Anna 390 569 Trond A/D BE
441116 B-17 43-37985 486 834 BE
441017 B-17 44-6083 398 603 Berlare BE
441116 B-17 44-6512 384 544 Tongres BE
441121 B-17 42-38040 Little Butch/El Lobo 390 568 near Brussels BE
441126 B-17 42-31801 92 327 BE
441126 B-17 42-97691 303 427 Volker BE
441126 B-17 43-37571 351 511 Saint-Trond ?Köln BE
441130 B-17 43-37958 486 834 BE
441224 B-17 43-38926 Weary Willy 487 836 Sprimont BE
441224 B-17 44-8614 487 836 Spa near to BE
441224 B-17 44-8121 487 836 Esneux 0.5 mile NW of BE
441229 B-17 42-107188 398 602 Liege area BE
450110 B-17 42-97320 42-97320 384 544 BE
450112 B-17 43-38816 487 836 St. Trond BE
450128 B-17 42-31536 92 326 Brielen BE
450128 B-17 43-39055 95 335 Kain near Tournai BE
450206 B-17 ???3858 96 Galmaarden BE
450214 B-17 43-38735 Flat Top 92 407 Flenu BE
450214 B-17 43-39147 379 527 2 KIA, 7 POW Elsenborn BE
450214 B-17 44-6915 379 524 Bruxelles BE
450220 B-17 44-6583 Cadet Nurse 95 336 Florennes BE
450303 B-17 43-38675 92 327 near Florennes BE
450303 B-17 44-6584 92 327 Forchies La Marche BE
450319 B-17 44-8008 384 544 Ostende BE
450405 B-17 44-8430 Recall 384 546 6000 Charleroi AF BE
450407 B-17 43-39126 487 AF St. Trond ?Wernershöhe BE
450415 B-17 42-37882 A GOOD BETT 95 412 Merville BE

dubious whether Belgium ???
440111 B-17 42-30782 306 368 Chimay oder Nijverdal BE / NL?
440204 B-17 42-39799 100 349 ?Turnhout ?BE
441224 B-17 42-98019 Mutzie "B" 487 839 ?North Sea ?BE
450405 ?440531 B-17 43-37636 ?Malfunction Junction 100 418 ?Liege ?BE
430817 B-17 42-29559 STUP'N'TAKE-IT 91 323 ?Testelt ?Langdorf ?BE ?D
430817 B-17 42-30158 Mary Jane ll 379 525 2KIA, 8POW ?Diets-Heur ?Abenheim ?BE ?D


aircraft type = B-24
431230 B-24 42-7766 389 566 2km SE of La Horne, B. ?BE
440528 B-24 42-52764 486 832 ?BE
431004 B-24 42-40989 44 506 10 KIA North Seaa off Koksijde (Coxyde) BE
431201 B-24 42-63987 93 409 4770 Herresbach 1 km S of BE
440222 B-24 42-72865 F FOR FREDDIE 44 67 Elshout near Bokhoven BE
440224 B-24 42-100282 STORMY WEATHER 446 704 Vilvoorde BE
440422 B-24 42-52605 392 579 near Oostkeerke BE
440422 B-24 41-29306 K for king 445 700 Espierres=Spiere BE
440509 B-24 42-52186 453 735 Arendonk BE
440528 B-24 42-52651 STAR DUSTER 487 837 Xhoris 1 km W of; 21 km S. or Liege BE
440619 B-24 42-110081 93 328 Brugge BE
440624 B-24 42-95233 453 732 Oostduinkerke BE
440701 B-24 42-52758 GIN MILL JILL 486 835 near Zerkegem/Brugge BE
440711 B-24 42-94773 Our Gal Sal 445 701 Tournai BE
440712 B-24 42-100365 Battlin Betty" or "Battlin Baby" 458 755 Harveng (?) BE
440720 B-24 42-95117 YOU CAN'T TAKE IT WITH YOU 450 752 Koersel (Heusden) BE
440826 B-24 42-50318 446 706 BE
440918 B-24 42-100416 Baggie Maggie 93 409 Arendonk BE
440918 B-24 42-50673 392 579 Turnhoutt BE
441014 B-24 43-50432 393 576 Bruxelles BE
441015 B-24 41-29128 LADY LUCK 446 704 St Tronde BE
441102 B-24 42-64469 El Flako Aka Rainbow Godess 453 Turnhout BE
441225 B-24 42-94963 486 788 St. Trond AF BE
441227 B-24 42-52746 ?42-52746 Shoo Shoo Baby 446 BE
450321 B-24 41-28949 DOG PATCH CLIPPER 453 733 Sint-Truiden BE
450324 B-24 41-29476 Gas House Gus 392 Hechtel-Eksel BE
440509 B-24 42-52584 Worry Bird II 466 787 Gierle BE/?F
440731 B-26 42-96083 386 554 ?Douchamps ?Joue les Tours ?BE ?F
440114 B-26 41-31880 322 S Gravelines BE
441223 B-26 42-107598 387 559 Bastogne BE
441226 B-26 41-34955 323 Ronchampay BE
440919 C-47 42-24127 435 76 Kasterlee BE
441227 C-47 42-100644 439 TCG 91 TCS 6 mil from Bastogne BE

[Horst Weber]

Originally Posted by FrankieS

Hi, have only this one:

B-17
43-38816
BG487
BS836
Mulhollan, Jack W.
belly landing St. Trond, BE (which is E of Bruxelles)
battle damaged

Good evening Frankie !

This a/c is listed as failed to return, but landed in friendly territory on January 8th, 1945. The a/c was reported salvaged by 5th SAD on January 21st, 1945.

All the best !

Horst Weber

[ClinA-78]

Hello,

"440413 B-17 42-97274 384 547 7830 Fouleng-Silly BE"

There is a B-17 lost near (Silly-) Fouleng, is it what you are looking for Christophe?
Unable to contact you on your private address.
If you have a pic or a precise location,in fact, any info's, I may help.

Best regards

ClinA-78

[shooshoobaby]

Christophe, 1/12/45
4 398th BG B - 17s noted as Landed On Continent. 2 448th BG and 1 92d BG
A/C Crash landed in UK.
Going by Dates Regained , at least 3 needed Repairs. All 4 were on Non -
Operational Flights. All returned to 398th BG
# 42 - 97810 Regained ?
# 43 - 37977 Regained 3/3/45
# 43 - 38564 Regained 1/31/45
# 43 - 38811 Regained 2/24/45
Mike

[strahljaeger]

Hello,

a question about the information "440222 B-24 42-72865 F FOR FREDDIE 44 67 Elshout near Bokhoven BE".

I'm interested in this B-24, and maybe the crash site. I have two different pieces of information there. Wesel, Germany is listed in the MACR. Where does the location Elshout come from?

Can anyone give me more information about this.