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Paul Galland and his claims
Hello
By studying the fights of 06/7/41 (who shot down who?),I "fell" on Paul Galland's claims and the distribution of these. D.Caldwell(JG26 Diary) and J.Prien(JFV #5 and #7) are in total contradiction on the dates. I have some experience of contradictions,according to the sources(even serious),but then,CHAMPION!certainly one of the "BEST"!! The two agree for 17 "Abschusse" (Phew!!),but what a "circus"! for the dates! According Caldwell: (1.) 06/07/41=Spit (2.) 04/09/41=Spit (3.) 17/09/41=Spit (4.) 12/02/42=Swordfish (5.) 10/04/42=Spit (6.) 24/04/42=Spit (7.) 25/04/42=Spit (8.) 26/04/42=Spit (9.) 01/05/42=Spit (10.) 03/05/42=Spit (11.) 01/06/42=Spit (12.) 29/06/42=Spit (13.) 30/07/42=Spit (14.) 30/07/42=Spit (15.) 19/08/42=Spit (16.) 27/08/42=Spit (17.) 31/10/42=Boston According to Prien and Co: (1.) 04/09/41=Spit (2.) 12/02/42=Swordfish (3.) 12/02/42=Swordfish (4.) 12/02/42=Swordfish (5.) 12/02/42=Swordfish (6.) 10/04/42=Spit (7.) 24/04/42=Spit (8.) 25/04/42=Spit (9.) 26/04/42=Spit (10.) 01/05/42=Spit (11.)01/06/42=Spit (12.) 29/06/42=Spit (13.) 19/08/42=Spit (14.) 27/08/42=Spit (15.) 29/08/42=Spit (16.) 29/08/42=Spit (17.) 31/10/42=Spit It's not "very serious" and I'm "losing my latin"!How to do serious research? with this. Regards Michel |
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Re: Paul Galland and his claims
Paul Galland
****uses the Mathews & Foreman list of his victories, which differs a bit from Don Caldwell’s*** Unconfirmed claim 6.7.41 Spitfire Unknown - Channel Front Fighter Command, total of 7 losses throughout the day: 74 sqn lost W3208/U of P/O W M Skinner DFM POW, W3176 of Sgt. L R Carter KIA plus W3317 of Sgt. W G Lockhart evaded (all attributed to JG 26 in the afternoon) 92 sqn lost Sgt. G C Tood KIA in W3331 “The King Rufus”, 145 sqn lost F/L M A Newling DFC KIA in W3336 whilst 611 sqn lost Sgt N J Smith in W3311 and Sgt. J A McCairns in P8500, both POW (McCairns later escaped via Spain) 1st claim 4.9.41/1730 Spitfire Unknown - Channel Front Lost around this time were W3451 of 111 sqn, Sgt. T R Caldwell rescued safely from channel; W3182 of 72 sqn, Sgt. J E T Asselin POW. 603 sqn had Sgt. Neill WIA, cat.2 damaged Unconfirmed claim 17.9.41 Spitfire VB Unknown - Channel Front W3701/G of 306 sqn. P/O C Daszuta POW (one of only two applicable losses, the other is accounted for) 2nd 3rd 4th and 5th claims 12.2.42/1345, 1347 1348 and 1350 3 x Swordfish Into sea N of Gravelines Losses include W5984 of 825 sq, Lt. Cdr. Eugene Esmonde, KIA (known to have been downed by a Fw190, awarded a posthumous VC. Sub Lt. B W Rose, (rescued?) Sub Lt. C M Kingsmill, (crew rescued) Lt. John Chute Thompson, (KIA) Sub Lt. Cecil Ralph Wood, (KIA) and Sub Lt. Peter Bligh (KIA), all of 825 sqn 6th claim 10.4.42/1743 Spitfire VB Unspecified, Calais area 313 sqn. 2 losses: BL480 of Sgt. Frantisek Pokorny KIA and AA865 of Sgt. V Truhlar POW Willius caused the other loss 7th claim 24.4.42/1451 Spitfire VB NW of Ostend 122 sqn. 2 losses: BL462 of P/O R E Hardy RCAF (POW) and BL813 of S/L Robert Miller (KIA). P/O Prest's Spitfire was also damaged and he was injured (Karl Borris caused the other loss) 8th claim 25.4.42/1640 Spitfire Unknown - Channel Front This one not traced 9th claim 26.4.42/1757 Spitfire VB SE of Calais AD304/UZ- of 306 sqn. P/O A S Flisnick KIA 10th claim 1.5.42/1932 Spitfire VB Calais sector 457 sqn RAAF, 485 sqn RNZAF and 602 sqn. 457 lost BM188 of F/L Harold Leslie North (NZ) KIA and BM251 Sgt. Andrew Francis Peacock KIA. 485 lost BM116, P/O J R Falls POW and 602 lost BM456 of P/O D G Maxwell POW plus BM186 (damaged, written off) Unconfirmed claim 3.5.42/1600 Spitfire (but Hurricanes also involved….) Calais 174 sqn and 303 sqn. 175 lost Hurricane IIE BE674 of S/L R C Wilkinson baled out and evaded (attributed to Flak by the British at the time, now believed to most likely be a victim of JG 2 Kley or Roebbers of JG 2, and can’t be ruled out here ) plus serial unknown of P/O G L Cooper POW 303 lost BL237 of Sgt. M Cytulski, baled out POW 11th claim 1.6.42/1346 71 "Eagle" and 350 (Belgian) sqn. 71 sqn lost BM386, P/O E George Teicheira KIA plus one other damaged. 350 sqn had 3 losses: AB173 of P/O R J L Laumans POW. W3626 of Sgt. L J A Hansez KIA and BL822 of F/S G G A Livyns also KIA 12th claim 29.6.42/1655 Spitfire V 64 and 350 (Belgian) sqns. 64 lost BM254, F/S Raymond James Goode KIA. 350 lost AA835, P/O R de Wever POW (versus 3 claims all up) 2 x Unconfirmed Claims 30.7.42 2 x Spitfires Unknown - Channel Front These ones not traced 13th claim 19.8.42/1243 Spitfire Dieppe This one not traced 14th claim 27.8.42/1506 Spitfire VB Location not specified, Calais – Cap Gris Nez sector 122 and 154 sqn. 122 lost BM135 of P/O C P Shaw and AR402 of Sgt. K G N Silsand both KIA. 154 lost BM415 of Sgt. J Hall WIA, rescued from the channel plus BM248 of F/O A S Turnbull WIA was Cat. B damaged (there were 5 claims all up) 15th and 16th claims 29.8.42/1147 and 1150 2 x Spitfires W of Cap Gris Nez Three losses: 64 sqn lost BR592 of Sgt. Rogers WIA and landed at Manston, 242 sqn lost AR425 of Sgt. C Meachen KIA and 402 sqn RCAF lost BS195 of Sgt. W A Hayes KIA (versus 5 claims at the time) 17th claim 31.10.42/1310 Boston III 7km SE of Dixmuiden @ 0 - 700m Z2179/RH- of 88 sqn. F/O Henry Philemon Collings and crew KIA. Caldwell says this was a 107 sqn Blenheim. Can't find any evidence of this Last edited by Nick Hector; 3rd June 2019 at 15:43. Reason: Added 5th claim |
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Re: Paul Galland and his claims
Hi Nick
I have more confidence in Mathews! Small remarks: 06/07/41. To add an 8th "loss":609°Sqd,serial? P/O Roger Malengreau (Belgian) crash landed in england after serious damage (cat2);witness:Sq.Ldr.M.Robinson,F/Lt.J.Offenberg. 12/02/42=3 Swordfish 2nd,3rd,4th 10/04/42 6th and the 5th? Michel |
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Re: Paul Galland and his claims
I have Malengreau in W3179/PR-K. Damaged by Bf 109 near Gravelines and crash-landed south of Deal 1415-1445 hrs
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Re: Paul Galland and his claims
Michel
- Added in, thanks. Chris - Thanks, I will update my database accordingly |
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Re: Paul Galland and his claims
Hello ,
Boston Z2179 came down near Woumen Belgium , one little question was P/O Hardy RE a POW or is he MIA ? Regards Alain57 |
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Re: Paul Galland and his claims
Hi Nick
31/10/42:Boston 107°Sqd according Caldwell The confusion made by Caldwell comes from the fact that this aircraft was in fact BORROWED by 107°Sqd. for the operation who SUPPLIED the crew. In summarylane of 88°Sqd and crew of 107°Sqd. Michel |