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Ju-88T-2/3 NM+HQ
Hi,
In Manfred Griehl „Junkers - Flugzeuge seit 1915“ (Motorbuch Verlag) there is a photo on p91 of what is claimed to be a Ju-88T-2 NM+HQ at the edge of the Alps on 2 July 1944. Only the letters H and Q are clearly visible in large black letters. Source is given as Schubert. Camouflage is black undersides and a light cloud-like pattern on top. Can anyone identify this aircraft and the unit? The geschwader code NM does not seem to belong to any of the regular fighting units. Also, I am not sure it really is a T-2 given that it has Junkers engines. I would be happy to post a picture of the page if that is allowed. Thanks, David |
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Re: Ju-88T-2/3 NM+HQ
Yes it is allowed, you would be posting for a legitimate purpose (learning).
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Re: Ju-88T-2/3 NM+HQ
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The NM is not a Geschwader code but the two first digits in its Stammkennzeichnung. Griehl most likely received the information either directly from this "Schubert" or perhaps from photos/logbooks once belonging to that man. It is not possible by simply reading this code to know which unit the aircraft belonged to. We have a number of specialists in both WNr and STKZ so maybe one of them knows more. All I can say is that the NM+H(A) and up seems to have been assigned to Junkers and the model 88 (NM+HA was a model Ju 88S) Cheers Stig |
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Re: Ju-88T-2/3 NM+HQ
Usually the planes of the NM+H. serie are documented as S-3 models Wn 330167 to 330192 , nd there are only T-1 nd T-3 , T-2 model is non-existing
S-1/T-1 used Bmw 801 motors S-3/T-3 Jumo 213 motors Production time hv to be beg. sommer 1944 nd made by Henschel , equiped with Jumo 213 of the 1021/521... block produced by "jfr" not later than june 44 This serie hs been used by LG1/KG66/KG30 But as quite all from NM+HA to NM+HL are documented nd after nil !! possibly remains that part of them hv never been produced or... Regarding the code in the picture, nd as we only see HQ, I don't know where is coming the NM added by Griehl/Schubert, BG+HQ/S-3 could be an alternate but doubts surround this code, an other countender S-3/PY+HQ.. Possibly as , Peter is not reachable, Ed could cfm which model shows the picture S-3 or T-3 ?? Rémi |
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Re: Ju-88T-2/3 NM+HQ
No confirmation - but opinon - it possibly can be Ju 88 T-3 ... or S-3
Now for a unpopular statement: Not everything published be correct. This and several other authors seem have written beyond confirmed. |
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Re: Ju-88T-2/3 NM+HQ
Hi folks,
in 2014 Peter Achs posted following at the German aviation forum "Flugzeugforum.de". https://www.flugzeugforum.de/threads...a.77042/page-2
- There was no staffel letter Q, so that the machine still bears its STKZ - The aircraft still has the original factory paint from Henschel / Schönefeld. - Accordingly, it could be a brand new Ju 88 T-3, which still has its STKZ. There is a Ju 88 T-3 NM + HQ (W-Nr. 330223) - From this Ju 88 I unfortunately only have a transfer flight from FlÜG 1 on 07/02/44 from Staaken to Brunnthal via Munich / Riem. Further whereabouts are unknown to me - Two more T-3s in the range number (330222 and 330227) flew on the 4th (F) / 122 as F6 + HM and F6 + FM. |
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Re: Ju-88T-2/3 NM+HQ
Seems Peter made some mistakes in the past...
Rémi |
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Re: Ju-88T-2/3 NM+HQ
Rémi (Ed)
May I ask exactly where Peter made his mistakes back in 2014? Everyone on the forum are no experts on the Ju 88 production as such. Cheers Stig |
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Re: Ju-88T-2/3 NM+HQ
Thanks for the info everyone. It seems that this probably really is NM+HQ in stkz. on delivery to a fighting unit somewhere.
Does anyone know if stammkenzeichen were usually applied in large (early-war style) letters or did they follow the practice of applying the first two letters very small? On a sidenote, this aircraft wears a different camo pattern from the one posted by Junkers-Peter on flugzeugforum, albeit it is still a very similar style. Thanks, David |
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