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RAF claims and total losses
hello,
i am searching for RAF claims , number in total of the war (if possible for every year/month) .but total numbers are still enough . also the total losses of the RAF for the whole war. if possible divided in combat losses (to fighters/bomber & flak ) and other (accidents etc). if sómebody has these datas and can post it here, or send it with a PM, a big thanks |
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Re: RAF claims and total losses
i have only of BoB:
RAF claimed 2,698 kills Luftwaffe claimed 3,198 kills ¿? (i have only over 2300 with unconfirmed!!) Each source have different info: RAF TOTAL LOSSES: 650 915 930 1087 1140 and 710 severely damaged 1173 1547 (with Bomber command and Coast commands) (Bomber command lost 376 and Coast commands lost 148 for all causes) total: between 1174 (650+376+148) -(1173+376+148)1697 ....... GERMAN TOTAL LOSSES: 1100 1733 1563 1652 1887 ************************* LOSSES RAF Luftwaffe July (from10th) 90 165 August 399 612 September 416 554 October 182 321 Total 1087 1652 ------------------------------ another version: July ..RAF: 70 ..LUF: 134 August ..RAF: 359 ..LUF: 554 Sept. ..RAF: 351 ..LUF: 558 Oct. ..RAF: 150 ..LUF: 317 ..RAI: 2 (Regia Aeronotica Italiana) For a total amount for the period of: RAF: 930 LUF: 1,563 Then, Bickers concludes by saying that post-war investigation true figures came actually to: RAF: 915 LUF: 1,733 ------------------------------------------------------------------- I wonder what is Herr Edmund L. Blandford's source about the British losses in battle of Britian, however according to British's official record, Fighter command lost 1023 aircrafts, Bomber command lost 376 and Coast commands lost 148 for all causes, it was general belived Luftwaffe overclaimed about 3 to 1 in battle of France and Battle of Britian, and it may make you feel better, RAF and later USAF overclaimed at least as much as Luftwaffe. for raid of Dieppe raid, you shall remember that between 1942 to first half of 1944, JG 1, JG 2, JG 26 and JG 11 may made the most accurate claims among fighter units of all nations in WWII, about 70% accurate, but there were some good reasons for this, they were on defensive, each units had its own region of opertive, there were no battle on the land. so it was not surprised that after allies landing at Normande, the overclaime of Luftwaffe in west Europ increased dramatically again. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- British Casualties: 1,547 aircraft; 27,450 dead civilians, 32,138 wounded civilians; 498 RAF pilots German Casualties: 1,887 aircraft On 22 June 1941 German claims against the Russian Air Force numbered 322 aerial kills against Soviet admissions of 336 lost in air combat. The Dieppe raid of 19 August 1942 saw 112 claims by JG 2 and JG 26 against a total loss of 106 by the RAF. ....................................... there are many versions.... i hope this help
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Re: RAF claims and total losses
However don't be distracted by the just the numbers; of the 106 RAF/USAAC aircraft lost during the Dieppe raid, 51 were lost to causes other than by being shot down by aircraft. As far as can be determined these losses were as follows, 36 shot down by flak, 3 by bomber return fire, 4 by Allied friendly fire and 8 due to accidents. So for the Lufwaffe 113 claims (69 JG2, 38 JG26, 5 KG40 and 1 1.(F)123) it seems probable that only 55 aircraft were actually lost due to their actions.
Regards Steve |
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Re: RAF claims and total losses
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Regards, mirekw
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Re: RAF claims and total losses
hi,
sorry about: On 22 June 1941 German claims against the Russian Air Force numbered 322 aerial kills against Soviet admissions of 336 lost in air combat. i copy all the text of one web, what not to say that i according in all.... thanks, regards
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"If you return from a mission with a victory, but without your Rottenflieger [Wingman], you have lost your battle." Dietrich Hrabak "The wingman is absolutely indispensable. I look after the wingman. The wingman looks after me....." Francis S. "Gabby" Gabreski,"The first rule of all air combat is to see the opponent first." Adolf Galland |
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