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II/KG 53 28 Aug 44 He 111 losses
A total of 34 air and groundcrew from II/KG 53 were killed on this day-what happened and does anyone have aircraft details/NVMs?
Could the claims by 61 FS (south of Saarbruecken), 63 FS (N Kaiserslautern, Kettnich), 343 FS (30 miles SW Coblenz), 350 FS (SE Arlon x 2), 56 FG (S Trier) link to this? |
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Re: II/KG 53 28 Aug 44 He 111 losses
This was a transfer flight from Rouvres to Babenhausen apparantley the route was reported clear of enemy air activity and but they were attacked by aircraft of the 56th. and 353rd F.G.'s. Losses were AI+AM 5 aircrew and 5 groundcrew killed, AI+MP 3 aircrew killed 2 wounded plus 1 ground crew wounded and one killed , AI+N 1 aircrew + and one w., plus 3 groundcrew w., AI+KP 3 aircrew and 3 groundcrew w. AI+LP 1 aircrew and 1 grouncrew + plus 4 aircrew and 2 groundcrew w., AI+IP
5 aircrew and 3 groundcrew missing , AI+CP 5 aircrew and 4 ground crew missing. I believe prior to this the unit had been air dropping supplies to German troops losing five crews on 'Versorggungsflug' , Regards Brian |
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Re: II/KG 53 28 Aug 44 He 111 losses
Brian: Thanks for this. Thought as much. I will email you
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Re: II/KG 53 28 Aug 44 He 111 losses
Hi.
They reported a total of 9 aircraft lost, 2 missing, 6 shot down by enemy aircraft, and 1 destroyed on the ground by strafing. So trying to sum up the excellent post by Brian I would guess it would end up as: (btw the Verbandskennzeichen for KG 53 was A1 and not AI) 4. Staffel He 111H-20 A1 + AM 5 aircrew KIA, 5 groundcrew KIA 6. Staffel He 111H-20 A1 + CP 5 aircrew MIA, 4 ground crew MIA He 111H-20 A1 + IP 5 aircrew MIA, 3 groundcrew MIA He 111H-20 A1 + KP 3 aircrew WIA, 3 groundcrew WIA He 111H-20 A1 + LP 1 aircrew KIA, 1 groundcrew KIA, 4 aircrew WIA, 2 groundcrew WIA He 111H-20 A1 + MP 3 aircrew KIA, 2 aircrew WIA, 1 groundcrew KIA and 1 groundcrew KIA The last one cannot be assigned to a Staffel, as it could be A1 + N? or A1 + ?N (5. Staffel) He 111H-20 A1 + N 1 aircrew KIA, 1 aircrew KIA, 3 groundcrew WIA The 2 aircraft reported as missing would then be: 1. He 111H-20 A1 + CP 5 aircrew MIA, 4 ground crew MIA 2. He 111H-20 A1 + IP 5 aircrew MIA, 3 groundcrew MIA The 6 aircraft reported shot down would be: 1. He 111H-20 A1 + AM 5 aircrew KIA, 5 groundcrew KIA 2. He 111H-20 A1 + KP 3 aircrew WIA, 3 groundcrew WIA 3. He 111H-20 A1 + LP 1 aircrew KIA, 1 groundcrew KIA, 4 aircrew WIA, 2 groundcrew WIA 4. He 111H-20 A1 + MP 3 aircrew KIA, 2 aircrew WIA, 1 groundcrew KIA and 1 groundcrew KIA 5. He 111H-20 A1 + N 1 aircrew KIA, 1 aircrew KIA, 3 groundcrew WIA 6. unknown The 1 aircraft reported destroyed on the ground is probably not in the list by Brian. Seems most of these are then more or less covered, but the NVM's would be nice with regards to WNr etc (and one of the aircraft could be a H-16 subtype as the unit reported one of these lost during August 1944). Regards, Andreas B |
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Re: II/KG 53 28 Aug 44 He 111 losses
A1+AM He111 H 20 wn 700657
A1+MP He111 H 20 wn 700139 A1+?N He111 H 20 wn 700630 A1+KP He111 H 20 wn 700568 A1+LP He111 H 20 wn 701658 A1+IP He111 H 20 wn 700883 A1+CP He111 H 20 wn 7007745 Other losses A1+LR 161766 on 19.8.44 - missing A1+DT H-16 160681 on 20-8-1944 - crashed Le Bourget A1+DN H-16 8242 on 20-8-1944 - crashed crew killed A1+AT ? 161718 on 21-8-1944 - missing ?? ?? ? 6756 (hand written) on 22-8-1944 - four missing, had crash-landed at Creil and reported missing from ' Ruckmarsch nach Le Bourget, Hope this helps, Regards Brian |
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